From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 7 13:54:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1054990187:10:26900:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:54:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1054990187:10:26900:57; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:49:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1026188; 7 Jun 2003 12:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Od7s-0002ly-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:48:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57CmCc19520 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:48:12 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57CmB119513 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:48:11 +0100 Received: from [62.188.142.228] (helo=62.188.142.228) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Od7B-0007RY-9Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:47:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I don't think this is strictly an Ovation problem because I get the same results if I try using Impression but this still seems the best place to ask - I hope nobody minds? I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to appear in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want to print into a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I have defined a paper size for the printer driver that matches this and also a master page in Ovation. However, the text is printing in the centre of the page not on the right. If I try printing onto a standard piece of A4 then the print is in the correct relative place if the card is positioned on the bottom left hand side of the A4 page. Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? I'm using a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02, Ovation 2.70, !Printers 1.62 and I'm printing on an HP Laserjet 6L. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 7 14:14:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1054991415:20:11668:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:14:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1054991415:20:11668:46; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:10:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010951; 7 Jun 2003 13:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OdRh-0000Fo-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:09:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57D9H325477 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:09:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57D9GT25472 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:09:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19OdRb-0006tf-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:09:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:07:42 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to appear in >the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want to print into >a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I have defined a paper >size for the printer driver that matches this and also a master page in >Ovation. However, the text is printing in the centre of the page not on >the right. I'd say the bottom line was that OP lets you shift where stuff is printed on the paper - expand the print window. The only catch being that you turn off the various options that centre things on the paper. Turning on view->printer margins should let you see the area of your material relative to the printable area on the printer. However you can't guarantee that the actual position set is the same as where the ink hits the paper - because you might not put the paper in the printer in the right position (left-right). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 7 16:54:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055000809:10:15597:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:54:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055000809:10:15597:54; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:46:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109157; 7 Jun 2003 15:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Oftk-0007gv-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:46:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57Fjhp01680 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:45:43 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57FjhL01677 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:45:43 +0100 Received: from [62.188.150.29] (helo=62.188.150.29) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Ofsy-00049J-Ch for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:45:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:44:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to appear > >in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want to > >print into a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I have > >defined a paper size for the printer driver that matches this and also > >a master page in Ovation. However, the text is printing in the centre > >of the page not on the right. > I'd say the bottom line was that OP lets you shift where stuff is > printed on the paper - expand the print window. The only catch being > that you turn off the various options that centre things on the paper. I'd already unticked the Centre option on the expanded Print dialogue box. I have X and Y both set to zero because I have created a master page that matches the paper size that I have defined to !Printers. > Turning on view->printer margins should let you see the area of your > material relative to the printable area on the printer. I'd done this and everything looks OK. > However you can't guarantee that the actual position set is the same as > where the ink hits the paper - because you might not put the paper in > the printer in the right position (left-right). I don't think it is this because the problem seems to be that it is printing my text in the centre (horizontally) of the physical paper instead of at the right hand side. ... Having done some more experimentation, this is not quite correct. What is happening is shown by the diagram below (in a fixed width font). The full stops show the extent of the page I have defined in Ovation. The left hand edge of the page (about 30mm worth) I have defined in Ovation is not being printed. The edge of the physical page starts where the line of exclamation marks is in the diagram. This has the effect of moving My text from the right hand side of the page defined in Ovation to the centre of the physical printed page. I then end up with a gap filling the remainder of the right hand side of the physical page. .....!............................ . ! . . ! My text . . ! . . ! . . ! . . ! . . ! . . ! . . ! . .....!............................ ! In other words the Ovation page is not being mapped correctly onto the physical page. I'm guessing that this is being done by the printer driver? Or possibly the actual printer? In !Printers I have defined a page of the correct size for the physical paper and with 5mm graphic margins all round. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 7 17:04:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055001723:10:07719:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:04:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055001723:10:07719:42; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:02:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104969; 7 Jun 2003 16:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Og8c-0008T5-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:01:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57G1kd05972 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:01:46 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57G1jS05967 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:01:45 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030607160144.RBPI11246.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:01:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:01:41 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > I don't think this is strictly an Ovation problem because I get the same > results if I try using Impression but this still seems the best place to > ask - I hope nobody minds? > > I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to appear in > the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want to print into > a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I have defined a paper > size for the printer driver that matches this and also a master page in > Ovation. However, the text is printing in the centre of the page not on > the right. > > If I try printing onto a standard piece of A4 then the print is in the > correct relative place if the card is positioned on the bottom left hand > side of the A4 page. > > Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? > > I'm using a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02, Ovation 2.70, > !Printers 1.62 and I'm printing on an HP Laserjet 6L. I'd have a go at using A4 page size in Opro with the frame in the correct position to print on the smaller page you are actually using. How does the 6L line up the paper - using centring guides I think. For initial tests I'd assume top centre of the A4 is the reference when printing and corresponds with top centre of your smaller sheet size and so position your frame relative to the top centre. Hope you can make sense of my description, if not and you think it might be helpful I'll put a demonstration Opro document on my webspace. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:45:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055011080:10:28966:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:45:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055011080:10:28966:57; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:38:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028784; 7 Jun 2003 18:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OiZ3-0008Rj-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:37:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57IbCX16066 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:37:12 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57IbB016062 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:37:11 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030607183710.TINE16933.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:37:10 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:36:37 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article , Anthony Hilton > wrote: > > In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > I don't think this is strictly an Ovation problem because I get the > > > same results if I try using Impression but this still seems the best > > > place to ask - I hope nobody minds? > > > > > > I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to > > > appear in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want > > > to print into a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I > > > have defined a paper size for the printer driver that matches this > > > and also a master page in Ovation. However, the text is printing in > > > the centre of the page not on the right. > > > > > > I'd have a go at using A4 page size in Opro with the frame in the > > correct position to print on the smaller page you are actually using. > > Thanks, that is a very helpful suggestion. I've tried this and got it > working successfully. :-) Glad it made sense and worked. > > How does the 6L line up the paper - using centring guides I think. > > You are correct. > > > For initial tests I'd assume top centre of the A4 is the reference when > > printing and corresponds with top centre of your smaller sheet size and > > so position your frame relative to the top centre. > > Correct again. > > > Hope you can make sense of my description, if not and you think it > > might be helpful I'll put a demonstration Opro document on my webspace. > > No problem, your description was very helpful - thanks. > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards > does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if > anyone can explain. > > > If I try printing onto a standard piece of A4 then the print is in the > > > correct relative place if the card is positioned on the bottom left > > > hand side of the A4 page. > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? > > > > > > I'm using a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02, Ovation 2.70, > > > !Printers 1.62 and I'm printing on an HP Laserjet 6L. >From this description the printer driver is assuming that paper feeds relative to a fixed left side guide (which would be probably correct for dot-matrix line printers and inkjets) which pushes the print left relative to the sheet position. Width of A4 = 210mm, width of your sheet = 145mm, difference 65mm. Offset 32.5mm because paper centred sounds about right. If I'm right smaller size paper will never work properly with RISC OS drivers for laser printers (which, I think, all have self-centring guides for smaller size sheets). A quick test using A5 portrait seems to confirm this. Printer set to A5 (paper in manual feed with centring guides), A5 selected in Opro (2.70). !Printers 1.64a with Kyocera Postscript PDF supplied by Explan, PostScript PDriver module 4.61 (RISC OS 4.36 if that is relevant). Frame 10mm from edge of page all round. Having printed and got a sheet with the frame positioned as for the centre of an A4 page I switched Print margins on in Opro, they show as expected round the A5 page. I also checked the Print Setup settings which show Centred. Printed again with Centred off and X and Y offsets to 0mm and it stil printed as centred for an A4 sheet so I only got the top right quarter of the frame. Further test with !Writer bundled with RISC OS 4 (everything else the same) puts the print correct for A5 paper. Writer picks up page size from currently selected printer driver if !Printers is loaded apparently. Rob, can you do a similar test wioth your custom paper size and !Writer just to prove it is not my setup. Sorry David, this makes it look as though we cannot blame the RISC OS printer drivers but have to ask you what OPro is doing when it prints, and is there any chance you will be able to modify it. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:45:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055012064:10:23474:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:45:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055012064:10:23474:61; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:54:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116463; 7 Jun 2003 18:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Oiow-0001B4-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:53:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57Ipnk19673 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:51:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57IpmJ19664 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:51:48 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Oin5-0003Ws-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:51:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:29:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfef3bfd9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > Having done some more experimentation, this is not quite correct. > What is happening is shown by the diagram below (in a fixed width > font). The full stops show the extent of the page I have defined in > Ovation. The left hand edge of the page (about 30mm worth) I have > defined in Ovation is not being printed. The edge of the physical > page starts where the line of exclamation marks is in the diagram. > This has the effect of moving My text from the right hand side of the > page defined in Ovation to the centre of the physical printed page. > I then end up with a gap filling the remainder of the right hand side > of the physical page. > ......!............................ > .. ! . > .. ! My text . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > ......!............................ > ! This is a landscape-shaped card. Is it possible that the paper you've defined is portrait shaped but has a wide left margin or unprintable area? If you try to print plain text (eg from !Edit) can you get text from line 1 of a test file into the top lefthand corner of the card? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:45:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055024766:10:06941:101".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:45:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055024766:10:06941:101; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:26:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007212; 7 Jun 2003 22:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Om7s-00073w-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:25:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57MNV107538 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:31 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57MNUg07530 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:30 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.206] (helo=62.188.120.206) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Om5u-0008MX-Jk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:23:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:56:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff06c5b4robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , A.F. Taylor wrote: > In on Sat 07 Jun, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings > > wrote: > > > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange > > > that doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched > > > the cards does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to > > > understand this if anyone can explain. > > > > It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer > > to change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an > > A4 page size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not > > driving it using PostScript. You are correct Gavin, I am using an HP PCL driver. Thanks for the explanation. It seems very frustrating that the driver does not tell the printer about the page size when starting a print. Perhaps I should try telling RISCOS Ltd although I'm not convinced that they intend to do anything more with !Printers :-( > > If the printer is a PostScript one then it could be done. i.e. > > selecting a new page size in !Printers configures the printer to use > > a different page size or custom size. Although to use it from OPro > > you have to alter the PSsupport file in the !OvnPro.Library > > directory. If anyone wants more info about this then let me know. > > > > -- Gavin Crawford > > > Oh yes!! Been there, done that & got the modified printer driver ;-) > I came across this some years ago when I first got my HP5L and wanted > to use A5 paper for short correspondence. After much head-scratching I > managed to work out what Gavin has said in his first paragraph. There > was some discussion about it in Archive at the time AFAIR. What I did > was to modify the printer driver by altering the X offset by half the > difference between the A4 and A5 widths (think about it!). This, of > course, results in a negative X offset and I was pleased (and relieved) > when this worked. I now have seperate A4 and A5page pdfs. You could > easily do this for your cards, Rob. Thanks Arthur, I've printed the cards now using Anthony Hilton's "work around" but I'll keep this in case I need to do something like this again. It does seem a bit of a pain to have to have different printer drivers for each different size of paper. What is the point of being able to design new sizes? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:45:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055029364:10:20416:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:45:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055029364:10:20416:60; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:42:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020178; 7 Jun 2003 23:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OnJv-0002tc-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:41:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57NfOY24759 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:41:24 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:bL+MaxnaPNpT94pMHE2yTygEHV1uwD/4@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57NfJn24735 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:41:23 +0100 Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OnJH-0000pM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:41:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:40:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff104191gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bff06c5b4robh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4bff06c5b4robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bff06c5b4robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > It does seem a bit of a pain to have to have different printer > drivers for each different size of paper. What is the point of being > able to design new sizes? Your printer will have other sizes 'built in' such DL envelope, Legal, Letter etc. which you would usually select via the printer's control panel. !Printers can then have paper sizes defined to match those of the printer. But to use any of those paper sizes you would need to configure the printer to the required size, as well as selecting the matching paper size in the RISC OS Printer driver window. HP lasers usually have a 'Custom' size that you can set, but off hand I can't remember if that will help you as ISTR that it usually sets the printer to its maximum paper size. It's been a long time since I messed about with HP PCL codes so I may be wrong, but I think selecting some paper sizes in !Printers will switch the printer to use the correct settings. I know the CC Turbo Drivers didn't but I think the Acorn driver may have done. It may possibly also be linked to the name of the defined paper size. (The PostScript driver definitely is) i.e. if the name is A4 (generic) then the correct code to switch to A4 is sent to the printer. Looking at the LaserJet bits in !Printers the PCL codes for A4, Letter and Legal are defined in 'lj.Resources.Messages' and sent to the printer when decided by in 'lj.Resources.Support' (which is squished so not easy to alter). The way Acorn handled all this for the PostScript driver was much better and surprisingly very flexible, but sadly, not very well documented. But once you've figure out the way the PS driver handles it you can add all sorts of bits of PostScript code to do all sorts - like select different output bins, operate stapler units, etc. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055007701:20:20337:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055007701:20:20337:56; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:41:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020183; 7 Jun 2003 17:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Ohgg-0004t8-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:41:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57He5400388 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:40:05 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57He5W00383 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:40:05 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.5] (helo=62.188.120.5) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Ohfc-0007ol-90 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:40:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:39:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > I don't think this is strictly an Ovation problem because I get the > > same results if I try using Impression but this still seems the best > > place to ask - I hope nobody minds? > > > > I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to > > appear in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want > > to print into a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I > > have defined a paper size for the printer driver that matches this > > and also a master page in Ovation. However, the text is printing in > > the centre of the page not on the right. > > > > If I try printing onto a standard piece of A4 then the print is in > > the correct relative place if the card is positioned on the bottom > > left hand side of the A4 page. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? > > > > I'm using a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02, Ovation 2.70, > > !Printers 1.62 and I'm printing on an HP Laserjet 6L. > I'd have a go at using A4 page size in Opro with the frame in the > correct position to print on the smaller page you are actually using. Thanks, that is a very helpful suggestion. I've tried this and got it working successfully. :-) > How does the 6L line up the paper - using centring guides I think. You are correct. > For initial tests I'd assume top centre of the A4 is the reference when > printing and corresponds with top centre of your smaller sheet size and > so position your frame relative to the top centre. Correct again. > Hope you can make sense of my description, if not and you think it > might be helpful I'll put a demonstration Opro document on my webspace. No problem, your description was very helpful - thanks. Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if anyone can explain. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:03 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055010341:20:18174:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055010341:20:18174:50; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:25:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103185; 7 Jun 2003 18:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OiM3-0006rc-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:23:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57INb912741 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:23:37 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:bICttge8YEBW6hsX5Isptq1SfDIO+kRb@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57INaQ12737 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:23:36 +0100 Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OiLo-0006Bc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:23:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:25:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards > does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if > anyone can explain. It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer to change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an A4 page size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not driving it using PostScript. If the printer is a PostScript one then it could be done. i.e. selecting a new page size in !Printers configures the printer to use a different page size or custom size. Although to use it from OPro you have to alter the PSsupport file in the !OvnPro.Library directory. If anyone wants more info about this then let me know. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055016798:20:10848:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055016798:20:10848:44; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:13:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124135; 7 Jun 2003 20:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Ok33-00083Z-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:12:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57KBfR08344 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:11:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57KBeC08332 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:11:40 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Ok2M-0000iL-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:11:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:05:19 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 07 Jun, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, > Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards > > does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if > > anyone can explain. > > It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer to > change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an A4 page > size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not driving it > using PostScript. > > If the printer is a PostScript one then it could be done. i.e. selecting > a new page size in !Printers configures the printer to use a different > page size or custom size. Although to use it from OPro you have to alter > the PSsupport file in the !OvnPro.Library directory. > If anyone wants more info about this then let me know. > > -- > Gavin Crawford > Oh yes!! Been there, done that & got the modified printer driver ;-) I came across this some years ago when I first got my HP5L and wanted to use A5 paper for short correspondence. After much head-scratching I managed to work out what Gavin has said in his first paragraph. There was some discussion about it in Archive at the time AFAIR. What I did was to modify the printer driver by altering the X offset by half the difference between the A4 and A5 widths (think about it!). This, of course, results in a negative X offset and I was pleased (and relieved) when this worked. I now have seperate A4 and A5page pdfs. You could easily do this for your cards, Rob. -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055024764:20:10016:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055024764:20:10016:39; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:26:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122358; 7 Jun 2003 22:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Om7s-0002Cj-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:25:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57MNeP07569 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:40 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57MNdQ07562 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:39 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.206] (helo=62.188.120.206) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Om64-0008MX-8P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:23:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:14:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff086b0erobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bfef3bfd9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfef3bfd9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bfef3bfd9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk>, > Rob Hemmings wrote: > > Having done some more experimentation, this is not quite correct. > > What is happening is shown by the diagram below (in a fixed width > > font). The full stops show the extent of the page I have defined in > > Ovation. The left hand edge of the page (about 30mm worth) I have > > defined in Ovation is not being printed. The edge of the physical > > page starts where the line of exclamation marks is in the diagram. > > This has the effect of moving My text from the right hand side of the > > page defined in Ovation to the centre of the physical printed page. > > I then end up with a gap filling the remainder of the right hand side > > of the physical page. > > ......!............................ > > .. ! . > > .. ! My text . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > ......!............................ > > ! > This is a landscape-shaped card. Is it possible that the paper you've > defined is portrait shaped but has a wide left margin or unprintable > area? Thanks, but no I have checked this. > If you try to print plain text (eg from !Edit) can you get text from > line 1 of a test file into the top lefthand corner of the card? With edit I get the same effect as with everything else - that is the text at the left is not printed. (I typed in the alphabet on the top line and the first letter to appear of the paper was L.) Thanks for the suggestions but I think this seems to be a general RISC OS / !Printers problem. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055024768:20:10007:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055024768:20:10007:46; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:26:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122372; 7 Jun 2003 22:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Om7s-0006Cs-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:25:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57MNaq07552 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:36 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57MNYC07547 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:35 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.206] (helo=62.188.120.206) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Om5x-0008MX-Nl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:23:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:08:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff07dfdbrobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > In article , Anthony > > Hilton wrote: > > > In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > > I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to > > > > appear in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I > > > > want to print into a frame towards the right hand side of the > > > > paper. I have defined a paper size for the printer driver that > > > > matches this and also a master page in Ovation. However, the > > > > text is printing in the centre of the page not on the right. > > > > No problem, your description was very helpful - thanks. > > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the > > cards does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand > > this if anyone can explain. > A quick test using A5 portrait seems to confirm this. > Printer set to A5 (paper in manual feed with centring guides), A5 > selected in Opro (2.70). !Printers 1.64a with Kyocera Postscript PDF > supplied by Explan, PostScript PDriver module 4.61 (RISC OS 4.36 if > that is relevant). > Frame 10mm from edge of page all round. Having printed and got a sheet > with the frame positioned as for the centre of an A4 page I switched > Print margins on in Opro, they show as expected round the A5 page. I > also checked the Print Setup settings which show Centred. Printed again > with Centred off and X and Y offsets to 0mm and it stil printed as > centred for an A4 sheet so I only got the top right quarter of the > frame. > Further test with !Writer bundled with RISC OS 4 (everything else the > same) puts the print correct for A5 paper. Writer picks up page size > from currently selected printer driver if !Printers is loaded > apparently. > Rob, can you do a similar test wioth your custom paper size and !Writer > just to prove it is not my setup. OK, I've tried this and I'm afraid it still comes out incorrect even with !Writer. I think this definitely is a RISC OS wide problem (see the other part of this thread). Thanks again for all the advice and experimentation! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:48:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055083809:20:23916:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:48:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055083809:20:23916:44; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 14:50:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121828; 8 Jun 2003 14:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19P1Ta-0000QU-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:48:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h58Elkf05058 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:47:46 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h58Eljt05050 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:47:45 +0100 Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.126]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030608144743.KFJK21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:47:43 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030607223230.00b7ae20@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:35:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper In-Reply-To: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 19:25 07-06-03 +0100, you wrote: >In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, > Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards > > does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if > > anyone can explain. > >It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer to >change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an A4 page >size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not driving it >using PostScript. I've not used !Printers for some time, SWMBO uses the RPC, but I seem to recall that, to deal with this issue, I used to install an additional printer driver file on the icon bar with the printer settings configured to the paper size I wanted. Is this not how you resolve the problem? >If the printer is a PostScript one then it could be done. i.e. selecting >a new page size in !Printers configures the printer to use a different >page size or custom size. Although to use it from OPro you have to alter >the PSsupport file in the !OvnPro.Library directory. >If anyone wants more info about this then let me know. > >-- >Gavin Crawford >email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk > web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:48:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055093366:20:25153:238".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:48:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055093366:20:25153:238; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:29:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025973; 8 Jun 2003 17:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19P3y4-0002Xt-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:28:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h58HS1r26629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:28:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h58HS0726613 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:28:00 +0100 Received: from [62.188.122.155] (helo=62.188.122.155) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19P3xS-0006Sr-KB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:27:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:26:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff71d951robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030607223230.00b7ae20@mail.which.net> References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030607223230.00b7ae20@mail.which.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <5.1.1.6.0.20030607223230.00b7ae20@mail.which.net>, John Waddell wrote: > At 19:25 07-06-03 +0100, you wrote: > >In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings > > wrote: > > > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange > > > that doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched > > > the cards does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to > > > understand this if anyone can explain. > > > >It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer > >to change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an A4 > >page size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not > >driving it using PostScript. > I've not used !Printers for some time, SWMBO uses the RPC, but I seem > to recall that, to deal with this issue, I used to install an > additional printer driver file on the icon bar with the printer > settings configured to the paper size I wanted. Is this not how you > resolve the problem? No, I followed Anthony's suggestion and just used a normal A4 page size with a frame in the right place on the page. I found the right place with a combination of measurement and trial and error! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 23:15:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055283201:10:15836:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:15:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055283201:10:15836:63; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:13:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110923; 10 Jun 2003 22:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19PrLw-0001Lk-00; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:12:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5AMBpG10483 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:11:51 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5AMBoK10470 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:11:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19PrLJ-00098N-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:11:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:10:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Sorry David, this makes it look as though we cannot blame the RISC OS printer >drivers but have to ask you what OPro is doing when it prints, and is there >any chance you will be able to modify it. OP reads the paper size, and printable area size from the printer driver, like any other application. This is how it can display a border on the document page showing what will print. Bit of a whitewash, is there still a problem? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 14:39:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055943417:10:26447:96".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:39:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055943417:10:26447:96; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:36:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124435; 18 Jun 2003 13:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Sd6g-0002D4-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:36:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5IDZL726919 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:35:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5IDZKF26906 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:35:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Sd5s-0002Jo-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:35:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:33:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Robin Hampshire I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output I get from the scanner is solid black. This happens with every one of the pre-setting choices, most of which I have never used in anger, and which I've certainly never altered. Could it be a hardware (scanner) fault, or is it more likely that I have changed some software setting inadvertently? Using RO4.33 on SA RPC (it previously worked ok on this OS version) Thanks in advance, -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 15:10:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19SdKa-1-tN-1C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:10:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19SdKa-1-tN-1C; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:50:32 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0102615; 18 Jun 2003 13:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19SdKL-0002Gf-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5IDoCO32745 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5IDoB132739 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19SdKF-0005nl-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:48:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP >for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output >I get from the scanner is solid black. Does the lamp come on, does the scanner mechanism make the usual noises, and scan the page? >This happens with every one of the pre-setting choices, most of which I >have never used in anger, and which I've certainly never altered. Fair enough, but in a way since you've never used the presets, trying them now doesn't prove much. >Could it be a hardware (scanner) fault, or is it more likely that I >have changed some software setting inadvertently? Yes. 8-) The points above should let you check the hardware to an extent. Could be that the scanner connection to your computer is not good, try wiggling the plugs. This is a parallel scanner, so some scope for printer hardware and software getting in the way. You've a much better idea than I have, about what may have gone on. Poltergeists (always a menace around computers) could have corrupted the driver -probably worth a reinstall before you bin the scanner (and if you do reinstall follow the manual on installation - setting the device etc.). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 22:50:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19SkmD-3-2wL-3K.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:50:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19SkmD-3-2wL-3K; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:47:33 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0314647; 18 Jun 2003 21:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Sklf-0002Mt-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5ILkNh10820 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:23 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5ILkM110812 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h5ILkBPW027808 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:46:13 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:04 +0100 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/1.08 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist My windows version of OP is due to expire in a few days on 24th June. Do you have a new or saleable version yet David as I'd hate to lose the facility of using OP on my laptop. I've rather got used to it :-) Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 23:30:30 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055975339:20:16477:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:30:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055975339:20:16477:49; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:28:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100832; 18 Jun 2003 22:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19SlPT-0005bw-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:28:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5IMRv023892 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:27:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5IMRuj23880 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:27:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19SlPI-000Gq3-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:27:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:26:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >My windows version of OP is due to expire in a few days on 24th June. Do >you have a new or saleable version yet David as I'd hate to lose the >facility of using OP on my laptop. I've rather got used to it :-) 8-) I know, I know, I'm struggling to produce a new version. Problem is that things always start going wrong when a new version has to appear. I'll put up a version at the end of this week. However if I am not happy with it, I'll not mention it here, since a version I am happy with will follow soon afterwards. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 23:40:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055975849:10:13725:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:40:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055975849:10:13725:48; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:37:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106490; 18 Jun 2003 22:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19SlYG-0001Y4-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:37:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5IMb8w26756 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:37:08 +0100 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5IMb6j26751 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:37:07 +0100 Received: from DavidLewin@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_purify_dev1.2.) id 3.192.1c0e7e5e (4222) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:37:01 EDT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist --part1_192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/06/03 14:37:39 GMT Daylight Time, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP > for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output I > get from the scanner is solid black. > Is the lamp on? My Mustek will sometimes be slow to light up once it has ghone to sleep. David Lewin --part1_192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/06/= 03 14:37:39 GMT Daylight Time, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes:


I have been using a combination= of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP
for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output I get from the scanner is solid black.


Is the lamp on? My Mustek will sometimes be slow to light up once it has gho= ne to sleep.
David Lewin --part1_192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d_boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 13:55:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19SyoE-2-Q4-l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:55:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19SyoE-2-Q4-l; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:46:34 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0200691; 19 Jun 2003 12:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Synx-0001jU-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:46:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JCjbG18204 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:45:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JCjYm18187 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:45:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19SynF-0004qY-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:45:33 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:43:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Robin Hampshire In message you wrote: > >I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP > >for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output > >I get from the scanner is solid black. > > Does the lamp come on, does the scanner mechanism make the usual noises, > and scan the page? Yes to all of those. It all /appears/ to be normal > >This happens with every one of the pre-setting choices, most of which I > >have never used in anger, and which I've certainly never altered. > > Fair enough, but in a way since you've never used the presets, trying > them now doesn't prove much. Mentioned them to stress that it occurs at all settings. > > >Could it be a hardware (scanner) fault, or is it more likely that I > >have changed some software setting inadvertently? > > Yes. > > 8-) > > The points above should let you check the hardware to an extent. Could > be that the scanner connection to your computer is not good, try > wiggling the plugs. This is a parallel scanner, so some scope for > printer hardware and software getting in the way. It's a SCSI scanner. Connections are ok. The scanner is in a chain between the rpc and a hard-disk, both of which communicate ok with each other. > > You've a much better idea than I have, about what may have gone on. > Poltergeists (always a menace around computers) could have corrupted the > driver -probably worth a reinstall before you bin the scanner (and if > you do reinstall follow the manual on installation - setting the device > etc.). > No. Still no good. Thanks for your help, anyway. Regards, -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 15:15:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T02m-1-5wE-4C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:15:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T02m-1-5wE-4C; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:05:40 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0126260; 19 Jun 2003 14:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T02b-0006vz-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:05:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JE4dJ17290 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:04:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JE4Wh17247 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:04:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19T01f-0007CN-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:04:31 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:02:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >It's a SCSI scanner. Lots of scope for trouble then. To an extent one gets back to the "what changed" question. Or maybe the old perennial "is it terminated correctly". I might be inclined to set up to do a scan that is going to need lots of memory, covering a large area, then see if the scanner behaves correctly. The idea being that such a large scan is going to have to be read in a number of chunks - or at least is going to be bigger than anything the scanner can buffer internally. So if the SCSI side of things is failing I'd expect to see the scan head stick part way. All black images does sound like a connection failure, but of course if you say all the mechanical stuff is moving around in the correct way... Does have to be the correct way, high res scans equal slower scan head movement etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 17:55:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T2Xv-1-oM-QZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:55:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T2Xv-1-oM-QZ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0113985; 19 Jun 2003 16:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T2NE-000583-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JGYP212087 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JGYOb12076 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19T2Mg-0000tn-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:33:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Robin Hampshire In message <192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d@aol.com> you wrote: > In a message dated 18/06/03 14:37:39 GMT Daylight Time, > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > > > > I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek > > 12000SP for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the > > only output I get from the scanner is solid black. > > > > Is the lamp on? My Mustek will sometimes be slow to light up once it > has ghone to sleep. Yes. It behaves to all intents and purposes as though it is scanning normally. Unfortunately the output is just a uniform black block. If the problem is hardware, it is probably something to do with whatever catches/interprets/sends-on the reflections coming back off the paper surface. Thanks for your assistance though. Cheers, -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 18:15:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T2rl-2-41c-J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:15:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T2rl-2-41c-J; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:06:29 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0209827; 19 Jun 2003 17:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T2qN-0001he-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:05:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JH4Z323150 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:04:35 +0100 Received: from barra.abel.net.uk (barra.abel.net.uk [195.72.113.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JH4Yl23145 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:04:34 +0100 Received: from iyonix (host213-1-28-192.webport.bt.net [213.1.28.192]) by barra.abel.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEAC15FC08 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:13:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:52:08 +0100 From: Alan Marshall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I've used Arcfax for a number of years with the "Hayes1 v1.01" driver on my RiscPC with a Hayes Accura 56k Speakerphone faxmodem. To run ArcFax on my Iyonix, I have upgraded to v1.20 on which the driver is less than happy. When a 232K fax was sent, it was received at my fax machine (an advantage of ISDN) apart from a couple of pixel rows and showed a fail. v1.20 on my RiscPC transmitted successfully. I then sent a fax from the machine to the Iyonix. It appeared to be transmitted correctly (going through at a steady pace) but nothing was received though the timer was working and it disconnected when the transmission finished. The RiscPC did the same. Can anyone please tell me how the driver can be modified. Regards, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 20:25:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T4ts-1-5vw-4N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:25:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T4ts-1-5vw-4N; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:16:48 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0103426; 19 Jun 2003 19:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T4kW-0003Gp-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:07:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JJ6GQ28243 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JJ6F728239 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19T4jf-000724-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:05:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >To run ArcFax on my Iyonix, I have upgraded to v1.20 1.21 - has been the latest since about Xmas. > on which the driver is >less than happy. When a 232K fax was sent, it was received at my fax machine >(an advantage of ISDN) apart from a couple of pixel rows and showed a fail. >v1.20 on my RiscPC transmitted successfully. Since it worked on the Risc PC, why does all this point at the driver being unhappy on 1.20? As regards drivers 1.20 should not be a lot different to 1.16 (which is probably what you were using). When the Strong ARM came out there were a crop of problems, perhaps because some things went just a touch faster. However there hasn't been a similar situation with the Iyonix. I'd be inclined to give the Class1VA driver a go. The dedicated Hayes driver goes way back, to the days when Hayes employed someone with an Acorn, and he had time to write that driver. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 20:25:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T4uJ-2-2HH-1n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T4uJ-2-2HH-1n; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0210995; 19 Jun 2003 19:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T4sx-0004Ax-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:15:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JJFlj31340 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:15:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JJFgc31317 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:15:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19T4so-000NcX-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:14:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >If the problem is hardware, it is probably something to do with >whatever catches/interprets/sends-on the reflections coming back off >the paper surface. I once played for weeks before I discovered the mirror in a scanner was broken. Err oh right, and on another one, the mirror just came out of its clips. However the "what changed" question, should catch "I dropped my scanner from a first floor window". A quick check on a PC or another Acorn perhaps. After that, time to muse out loud how cheap scanners are today for so much better performance. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 21:05:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T5dT-3-4vR-1I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T5dT-3-4vR-1I; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:03:55 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0320407; 19 Jun 2003 20:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T5cW-0001Gg-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:02:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JK2pa14388 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:02:51 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JK2lh14355 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:02:48 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.5.195]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HGQ00HSLVSPKS@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:05:14 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:02:05 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3EF216BD.9060103@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >> To run ArcFax on my Iyonix, I have upgraded to v1.20 > > > 1.21 - has been the latest since about Xmas. > >> on which the driver is >> less than happy. When a 232K fax was sent, it was received at my fax >> machine >> (an advantage of ISDN) apart from a couple of pixel rows and showed a >> fail. >> v1.20 on my RiscPC transmitted successfully. > > > Since it worked on the Risc PC, why does all this point at the driver > being unhappy on 1.20? I have found that the communications between the modem and the computer are considerably slower on the Iyonix, and that ArcFax sometimes gives a 'modem not responding' error as a result. But why on earth should that be the case? Surely the serial connection of the Iyonix can't be that bad? Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 21:45:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T6FB-1-6yP-x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:45:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T6FB-1-6yP-x; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:42:53 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0126447; 19 Jun 2003 20:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T6Et-0000nt-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:42:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JKg7I27895 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:42:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JKg6327891 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:42:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19T6EQ-0000Cv-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:42:06 +0100 Message-ID: <08Lr1cJe$h8+EwVX@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:41:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 References: <3EF216BD.9060103@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3EF216BD.9060103@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have found that the communications between the modem and the computer >are considerably slower on the Iyonix, and that ArcFax sometimes gives >a 'modem not responding' error as a result. But why on earth should >that be the case? Surely the serial connection of the Iyonix can't be >that bad? Well it would be continuing an Acorn tradition of dodgy serial ports. The sort of thing one would see (I'm talking about in recent times, clearly back in the 1980's all sorts of serial port horrors happened) was modems that were only happy talking to Risc PC's at certain bit rates. I always put that down to hardware tolerances. You can change this speed in the modem driver, later ones make this more obvious, defining the speed right at the start. Legal values are 19200 38400 57600 115200. I'm not sure how one gets 'slower', what it makes me think is that ArcFax has to keep retrying commands. Having a look at the debug window should let you observe what is going on. It's a long time ago, but I think what may have happened with strong ARM is that the code went quicker and as a result ArcFax was looking for responses from the modem too quickly, and hence missing them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 20 14:00:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19TLC0-1-2el-b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:00:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19TLC0-1-2el-b; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:40:36 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0107573; 20 Jun 2003 12:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TLBT-0005y4-00; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:40:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KCdNS17692 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:39:23 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KCdJj17659 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:39:19 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (tch-ls-1-dialup-157.spectraweb.ch [194.230.224.157]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id h5KCdCbb018870 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:39:12 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:45:02 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu 19 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >From: Robin Hampshire > > In message <192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d@aol.com> you wrote: > > > In a message dated 18/06/03 14:37:39 GMT Daylight Time, > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek > > > 12000SP for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the > > > only output I get from the scanner is solid black. > > > > > > > Is the lamp on? My Mustek will sometimes be slow to light up once it > > has ghone to sleep. > > Yes. It behaves to all intents and purposes as though it is scanning > normally. Unfortunately the output is just a uniform black block. > > If the problem is hardware, it is probably something to do with whatever > catches/interprets/sends-on the reflections coming back off the paper > surface. Try connecting the scanner only to the computer. And try using different cables. If problem persists take scanner to shop or friend to see if problem persists. If it does I believe the scanner is probably u/s. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 20 18:30:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19TPdd-3-2yb-19.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:30:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19TPdd-3-2yb-19; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:25:25 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0309891; 20 Jun 2003 17:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TPcc-0004rd-00; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:24:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KHNZJ28351 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:23:35 +0100 Received: from barra.abel.net.uk (barra.abel.net.uk [195.72.113.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KHNZ728347 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:23:35 +0100 Received: from iyonix (host212-140-80-152.webport.bt.net [212.140.80.152]) by barra.abel.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64EF15F848 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:32:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:22:20 +0100 From: Alan Marshall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > >To run ArcFax on my Iyonix, I have upgraded to v1.20 > > 1.21 - has been the latest since about Xmas. > Sorry, 1.21 is the version I have been using. > > on which the driver is > >less than happy. When a 232K fax was sent, it was received at my fax machine > >(an advantage of ISDN) apart from a couple of pixel rows and showed a fail. > >v1.20 on my RiscPC transmitted successfully. > > Since it worked on the Risc PC, why does all this point at the driver > being unhappy on 1.20? > > As regards drivers 1.20 should not be a lot different to 1.16 (which is > probably what you were using). When the Strong ARM came out there were a > crop of problems, perhaps because some things went just a touch faster. > However there hasn't been a similar situation with the Iyonix. > > I'd be inclined to give the Class1VA driver a go. > > The dedicated Hayes driver goes way back, to the days when Hayes > employed someone with an Acorn, and he had time to write that driver. > Thanks for the suggestion, I now have the Class1VA driver working. After several checks I found that it would work only if Aemulor wasn't running. Transmits OK and receives OK apart from the "Complete" icon not being updated in the control panel window. Regards, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 20 21:50:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19TShi-3-2Yh-o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:50:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19TShi-3-2Yh-o; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:41:50 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0309208; 20 Jun 2003 20:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TShN-0005VN-00; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:41:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KKeot21027 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:40:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KKen821021 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:40:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19TSgi-0000Ql-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:40:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:39:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >After several checks I found that it would work only if Aemulor wasn't >running. This reminds me, there was someone (who'd probably appreciate not being named) who had a horrible problem with DPSS on his Iyonix. At the end of the day it turned out DPSS was running under Aemulor whilst making use of RISC OS 5 facilities (greater than 32MB wimp slot). He didn't know DPSS was running under emulation - Aemulor is that good. So I guess you have to be careful... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 20 23:50:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056148998:20:14286:250".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:50:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056148998:20:14286:250; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:43:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110424; 20 Jun 2003 22:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TUaC-0007eG-00; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:42:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KMeJG20169 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:40:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KMeIi20165 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:40:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19TUYM-0002Kd-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:40:18 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:38:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html This version has font mapping (Misc->Font Manager). My thanks to Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau for letting me include some sample font mappings. There is a document on the above web page which explains things in technical terms. I'll produce something easier to digest in due course. In a nutshell font mapping allows you to use documents with RISC OS font names whilst using Windows fonts for display. The result is that you can swop documents between Windows and RISC OS without font names getting changed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 21 00:40:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19TVTZ-1-4Dp-f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:40:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19TVTZ-1-4Dp-f; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:39:25 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0113515; 20 Jun 2003 23:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TVSp-0001oe-00; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:38:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KNcY500583 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:38:34 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KNcXL00577 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:38:33 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h5KNcTPW020739 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:38:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:29:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. Which still identifies itself as version 2.70. Is that correct? Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 21 02:30:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056158898:10:06606:98".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:30:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056158898:10:06606:98; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:28:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101978; 21 Jun 2003 1:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TXAH-0004X9-00; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:27:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5L1R2f19032 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:27:02 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5L1R1019027 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:27:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19TX9g-0005SC-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:27:01 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:25:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version References: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. >Which still identifies itself as version 2.70. Is that correct? Yes, they all have been called 2.70, but the date changes. If I number each version, the number will get too large. And for now the functionality is similar to RISC OS version 2.70. If I'd numbered them all we'd be talking about 3.07 for Windows and 2.70 for RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:49:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ToHy-1-3nA-n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ToHy-1-3nA-n; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:44:42 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0109259; 21 Jun 2003 19:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ToGr-0001ZX-00; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:43:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5LJgm820573 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:42:48 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5LJglM20569 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:42:48 +0100 Received: from RTV (1Cust221.tnt20.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.72.221]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h5LJXwM25165 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:33:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:44:02 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4C0630511F%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > > > The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. > > Which still identifies itself as version 2.70. Is that correct? > Yes, they all have been called 2.70, but the date changes. > > If I number each version, the number will get too large. And for now the > functionality is similar to RISC OS version 2.70. > > If I'd numbered them all we'd be talking about 3.07 for Windows and 2.70 > for RISC OS. Perhaps you could do a Webster XL & add a letter for each new version. Hm, 2.70ak? :-/ -- __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19U9yz-1-1YF-o; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:54:33 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0105000; 22 Jun 2003 18:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19U9yi-00049A-00; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5MIs9S09533 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5MIs8k09529 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:08 +0100 Received: from lilyg.demon.co.uk ([80.177.108.52] helo=NicksPC) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19U9yZ-000N3X-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:07 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC Message-ID: <3EF60976.22307.1BA74BC@localhost> In-reply-to: <3EF607CB.25788.1B3F28A@localhost> References: <4c06a48d2ajdp@pandora.be> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Jun 2003 at 19:47, nick@lilyg.demon.co.uk wrote: > On 22 Jun 2003 at 18:53, Jan De Poorter wrote: > > > In article <3EF5D761.16147.F6D564@localhost>, > > wrote: > > > > > I have created a zip archive using SparkFS 1.37. When I open the > > > archive on the RiscPC I can see the directory structure. > > > I am then using CDBurn 1.58 to create a data cd with filer like > > > structure by dropping the zip archive into it and creating an > > > isoimage. > > > I am then burning this to cd. > > > On the PC I can read the CD and see the zip archive but when I open > > > it using winzip all the files are listed with no directory > > > structure. > > > > This is due to the way winzip displays the files. > > All the files are listed to the left of the winzip window. > > You should find the directories in which the files reside > > to the right of the winzip window, under 'Path'. > > > > Jan. > > > > -- > > Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > > Hi, > Yes I have discovered this since I posted. > I was hoping to be able to drag the directories out of winzip and > copy across all the sub directories maintaining the hierarchy. > As it is it seems I'll have to recreate the directory tree on the PC > hard drive and then reassemble the files into them using the path > name. This is a bit tedious. Or am I missing something? > > Thanks for your help. > Nick > > nick@lilyg.demon.co.uk Lancaster/U.K. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Hi, Sorry to follow up my own post but I've just discovered that when I extract it onto the hard disc folder it does recreate the directory structure. Sorry to waste your time and thanks for the help. Regards, Nick nick@lilyg.demon.co.uk Lancaster/U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:49:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19UO6h-1-2To-15.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19UO6h-1-2To-15; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:59:27 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ad0109017; 23 Jun 2003 9:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19UO6D-0002Av-00; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5N9wOd30718 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:24 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (IDENT:root@smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5N9wK430698 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:21 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h5N9wG714865 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:11 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > > This is due to the way winzip displays the files. > > All the files are listed to the left of the winzip window. > > You should find the directories in which the files reside > > to the right of the winzip window, under 'Path'. > > > Yes I have discovered this since I posted. > I was hoping to be able to drag the directories out of winzip and > copy across all the sub directories maintaining the hierarchy. > As it is it seems I'll have to recreate the directory tree on the PC > hard drive and then reassemble the files into them using the path > name. This is a bit tedious. Or am I missing something? > > Sorry to follow up my own post but I've just discovered that when I > extract it onto the hard disc folder it does recreate the directory > structure. Sorry to waste your time and thanks for the help. All this messing with winZip prompts me to say what I have thought several times before :- When is the PC version of sparkFS going to be available :-? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:49:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19USGj-3-6Hf-Ez.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19USGj-3-6Hf-Ez; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:26:05 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0317541; 23 Jun 2003 14:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19USEQ-0000Xd-00; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:23:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5NENAe20172 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:23:10 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5NEN9120163 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:23:09 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust75.tnt32.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.158.75] with SMTP for id h5NEN7UY013347 (8.12.9/2.04); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:23:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000c01c3399b$c4503210$0100a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:25:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:38 AM, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. > > http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html > > This version has font mapping (Misc->Font Manager). > > My thanks to Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau for letting me include some sample > font mappings. Yes, I had the privilege of having preview and pre-release use. With what is implemented in the Font Manager + adding a bit of work -and understanding-, + having same fonts (e.g. EFF or converted Type1's from e.g. Corel with same TrueTypes, Artworks fonts and TrueTypes of Xara), lets you load and edit RISC OS docs in formats accepted by Ovation Pro, as if they were made in Windows. + you can add and try fontmaps on the fly on an opened document, to find the ones, which serve you best before saving such fontmaps. And saving means adding these to your own database of good and useful maps on your own systems. + saving a few empty doc's (e.g. A4 and A5 portrait and landscape) from Ovation Pro for RISC OS to use as stylesheets in Ovation Pro for Windows, lets you simulate Ovation Pro's RISC OS environment for text handling as if you are working in RISC OS. And, when you have done it well, the doc's are accepted in Ovation Pro on both platforms as if they were native. > There is a document on the above web page which explains things in > technical terms. I'll produce something easier to digest in due > course. > > In a nutshell font mapping allows you to use documents with RISC OS > font names whilst using Windows fonts for display. The result is that > you can swop documents between Windows and RISC OS without font names > getting changed. In a nutshell ... It works. And it works amazingly well. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:50:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19UZ0f-3-6JZ-3D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:50:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19UZ0f-3-6JZ-3D; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:37:57 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0323349; 23 Jun 2003 21:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19UZ01-0003N8-00; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:37:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5NLalx21899 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:36:47 +0100 Received: from parmenides.zen.co.uk (parmenides.zen.co.uk [212.23.8.69]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h5NLalK21896 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:36:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 13467 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from protagoras.zen.co.uk (212.23.8.61) by parmenides.zen.co.uk with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from dsl-217-155-88-34.zen.co.uk (HELO eidosnet.co.uk) (217.155.88.34) by protagoras.zen.co.uk with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 21:36:46 -0000 X-Zen-Trace: 217.155.88.34 Message-ID: <3EF772E5.4090602@eidosnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:36:37 +0100 From: David Mounce User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. > And -- please -- when can we pay for it, pray tell? David Mounce http://www.molehole.org/david/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:50:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056227453:10:27037:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:50:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056227453:10:27037:84; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:30:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120626; 21 Jun 2003 20:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Tp0G-0004lC-00; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:30:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5LKUID32131 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:30:18 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5LKUGY32121 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:30:16 +0100 Received: from [62.64.209.156] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Tozx-000H6v-Ey for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:30:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:27:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4c06344a21dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4C0630511F%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> <4C0630511F%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4C0630511F%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In article David Pilling wrote: > > > > The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web > > > > site. > > > Which still identifies itself as version 2.70. Is that correct? > > Yes, they all have been called 2.70, but the date changes. > > > > If I number each version, the number will get too large. And for now > > the functionality is similar to RISC OS version 2.70. > > > > If I'd numbered them all we'd be talking about 3.07 for Windows and > > 2.70 for RISC OS. > Perhaps you could do a Webster XL & add a letter for each new version. > Hm, 2.70ak? :-/ Perhaps Mr P could let us pay for a version... Soon. Then we wouldn't need to fret about time bombs, and we could upgrade over that, as and when newer versions became available. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:50:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056300925:10:08033:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:50:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056300925:10:08033:46; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:55:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105240; 22 Jun 2003 16:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19U86u-0007rJ-00; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:54:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5MGrmI08071 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:53:48 +0100 Received: from apate.telenet-ops.be (apate.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.57]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5MGrkU08056 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:53:46 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by apate.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id F2E5037F4D for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:53:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from iyonix (D57636E6.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.54.230]) by apate.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF71381DE for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:53:43 +0200 (MEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:53:38 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC Message-ID: <4c06a48d2ajdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: <3EF5D761.16147.F6D564@localhost> References: <3EF5D761.16147.F6D564@localhost> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3EF5D761.16147.F6D564@localhost>, wrote: > I have created a zip archive using SparkFS 1.37. When I open the > archive on the RiscPC I can see the directory structure. > I am then using CDBurn 1.58 to create a data cd with filer like > structure by dropping the zip archive into it and creating an > isoimage. > I am then burning this to cd. > On the PC I can read the CD and see the zip archive but when I open > it using winzip all the files are listed with no directory > structure. This is due to the way winzip displays the files. All the files are listed to the left of the winzip window. You should find the directories in which the files reside to the right of the winzip window, under 'Path'. Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:51:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056233352:20:10714:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:51:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056233352:20:10714:49; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:09:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111127; 21 Jun 2003 22:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TqWz-0004D9-00; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:08:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5LM7jV24188 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:07:45 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5LM7iW24182 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:07:44 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h5LM7hPW026523 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:07:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:59:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4c063cb683ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4c06344a21dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> <4C0630511F%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c06344a21dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c06344a21dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Perhaps Mr P could let us pay for a version... Soon. Then we wouldn't > need to fret about time bombs, and we could upgrade over that, as and > when newer versions became available. I'll second that. My cheque will be in the post the minute it's available. Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:51:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056295329:20:25778:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:51:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056295329:20:25778:39; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:22:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115635; 22 Jun 2003 15:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19U6eM-0000jW-00; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:21:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5MFKTo14739 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:20:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5MFKRv14735 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:20:28 +0100 Received: from lilyg.demon.co.uk ([80.177.108.52] helo=NicksPC) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19U6dn-0004Zt-0Z; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:20:27 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:20:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC CC: wss-cdburn@smartgroups.com Message-ID: <3EF5D761.16147.F6D564@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I am trying to transfer 1400+ files from my RiscPC to my PC for use and backup 91Mb (21Mb compressed). They are various planning sheets, worksheets, reports, letters, minutes etc in various directories with sub directories. Most files are Ovation Pro or Impression with a few Word Doc. and PDF I have created a zip archive using SparkFS 1.37. When I open the archive on the RiscPC I can see the directory structure. I am then using CDBurn 1.58 to create a data cd with filer like structure by dropping the zip archive into it and creating an isoimage. I am then burning this to cd. On the PC I can read the CD and see the zip archive but when I open it using winzip all the files are listed with no directory structure. Any suggestions? I am not sure whether this is in the nature of zip archives being different across platforms or whether it is an artefact of isoimage creation. I have tried both data options in CDburn, filer like structure and data layout by directory. What would be the best CDburn options to set to create a CD with the directory structure? Which CD format Acorn, CDFS or ISO? CDFS file extensions ticked or unticked, I am copying this to the CDburn list and David Pilling softwarelist. Thanks for any insightsnick@lilyg.demon.co.uk Lancaster/U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:51:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056307683:20:10529:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:51:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056307683:20:10529:40; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:48:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117265; 22 Jun 2003 18:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19U9sC-0003gC-00; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:47:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5MIl3t07689 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:47:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5MIl2k07686 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:47:02 +0100 Received: from lilyg.demon.co.uk ([80.177.108.52] helo=NicksPC) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19U9rg-00072U-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:47:01 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:47:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC Message-ID: <3EF607CB.25788.1B3F28A@localhost> In-reply-to: <4c06a48d2ajdp@pandora.be> References: <3EF5D761.16147.F6D564@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Jun 2003 at 18:53, Jan De Poorter wrote: > In article <3EF5D761.16147.F6D564@localhost>, > wrote: > > > I have created a zip archive using SparkFS 1.37. When I open the > > archive on the RiscPC I can see the directory structure. > > I am then using CDBurn 1.58 to create a data cd with filer like > > structure by dropping the zip archive into it and creating an > > isoimage. > > I am then burning this to cd. > > On the PC I can read the CD and see the zip archive but when I open > > it using winzip all the files are listed with no directory > > structure. > > This is due to the way winzip displays the files. > All the files are listed to the left of the winzip window. > You should find the directories in which the files reside > to the right of the winzip window, under 'Path'. > > Jan. > > -- > Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Hi, Yes I have discovered this since I posted. I was hoping to be able to drag the directories out of winzip and copy across all the sub directories maintaining the hierarchy. As it is it seems I'll have to recreate the directory tree on the PC hard drive and then reassemble the files into them using the path name. This is a bit tedious. Or am I missing something? Thanks for your help. Nick nick@lilyg.demon.co.uk Lancaster/U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:51:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056397820:20:06694:33".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:51:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056397820:20:06694:33; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:50:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110580; 23 Jun 2003 19:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19UXKH-0002HJ-00; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:50:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5NJnbc14712 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:49:37 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5NJnbA14707 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:49:37 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030623194936.LYR21249.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:49:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:49:32 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Mon 23 Jun, Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: > All this messing with winZip prompts me to say what I have thought several > times before :- > > When is the PC version of sparkFS going to be available :-? I doubt it would be worth David's while. WinME and WinXP both handle zip files within (file)Explorer, not quite as nicely as sparkFS admittedly.. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 22:29:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19UvJd-3-5Q1-NA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:29:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19UvJd-3-5Q1-NA; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:27:01 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0310741; 24 Jun 2003 21:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19UvIR-0001vQ-00; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:25:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5OLPCf25892 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:25:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5OLPC925884 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:25:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19UvHr-0000sZ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:25:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:24:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >When is the PC version of sparkFS going to be available :-? Yes there's nothing quite as nice. One reason for that is that someone patented the idea of an archive filing system in 1998. There'll be hell to pay when they find out what ArcFS did in 1991 and SparkFS did in 1992. WinZip once wiped out half my hard disc when it auto uninstalled, I suppose this can happen to anyone but kind of casts a shadow over it for me. Then you get lots of Win zip programs that don't handle non-Windows zips well or at all. Then the ones that flatten the directory structure. The zipping that is built into XP is not bad, although it just made me save to disc before I could load a file into an editor... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 22:39:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19UvRo-2-2GI-2z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:39:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19UvRo-2-2GI-2z; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:35:28 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0215083; 24 Jun 2003 21:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19UvR4-0004IZ-00; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:34:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5OLYdq28752 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:34:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5OLYdA28749 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:34:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19UvR0-0003Yu-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:34:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:33:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version References: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> <4C0630511F%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c06344a21dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c06344a21dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Perhaps Mr P could let us pay for a version... Soon. Thanks for the offers of cash. One day... Today someone pointed out is Midsummers day, and I promised it would be finished by then (alas last years). I guess by Midwinters day. What remains to be done is a new font menu, some redraw problems, a bit of work on bit maps, and the horrors of irregular clipping for PostScript. That should then be on a par with the RISC OS version, but obviously there will be loads of scope for stuff like RTF and MS Word loaders and so on. >Then we wouldn't need to fret about time bombs, and we could upgrade over >that, as and when newer versions became available. By and large upgrading over an old version shouldn't be too bad. I know I slipped up at least once though and left a file in. There are good reasons to keep upgrading. Since last weeks effort I have fixed the problem which leads to bitmaps and JPEG's printing upside down on LaserJets - you'd not want to miss that. (no, it's not on the web site yet). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 22:49:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19UvcH-2-3O7-4U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:49:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19UvcH-2-3O7-4U; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:46:17 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0213964; 24 Jun 2003 21:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Uvaw-0005EE-00; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:44:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5OLilT31573 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:44:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5OLilM31570 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:44:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Uvao-0006H2-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:43:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Epson + USB + Iyonix or Castle fix References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, A few people have had problems scanning negatives/transparencies using my USB Epson scanner driver on the Iyonix. I guess the problem may also be present on the Castle podule. Anyway we seem to have a fix. Inside the scanner driver find the file !TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.!Install load into an editor, you should see the text timeout10000 change the 1 to a 2, be careful to make no other changes. There are three lots of two lines, you only need change the two lines for your scanner. Older drivers may have less than three supported scanners. I suspect this may also cure a problem I have on my 1650 where the very first scan from cold can end in tears. Now how did it take six months to get from an error box saying "USB Timeout" to producing this fix... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 22:49:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19Uvdu-2-7aU-w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:49:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19Uvdu-2-7aU-w; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:47:58 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0227713; 24 Jun 2003 21:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Uvdd-00060H-00; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:47:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5OLlT832247 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:47:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5OLlSg32241 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:47:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19UvdQ-0006kz-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:47:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:46:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > I might be inclined to set up to do a scan that is going to need lots of > memory, covering a large area, then see if the scanner behaves > correctly. The idea being that such a large scan is going to have to be > read in a number of chunks - or at least is going to be bigger than > anything the scanner can buffer internally. So if the SCSI side of > things is failing I'd expect to see the scan head stick part way. Still works as expected. A4 size at 300x300 24bpp - head moves slowly to just past halfway - sends something to rpc (green bar on dialogue moves to approx 65%), head then starts up again and finishes scan. > However the "what changed" question, should catch "I dropped my > scanner from a first floor window". Unless the pixies are playing with it while I'm asleep, it just sits there on the corner of the desk plotting dark things against me. It never gets out at all... > A quick check on a PC or another Acorn perhaps. After that, time to > muse out loud how cheap scanners are today for so much better > performance. Hmmmm.... Has there been any advance on suitable drivers for combined scanners/copiers/printers? If so, it might be the time to save up for one of those. The majority (though not all) of my scanning is for copying purposes, and my printer is somewhat asthmatic these days. -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 23:19:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19Uvz5-3-3lM-2v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:19:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19Uvz5-3-3lM-2v; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:09:51 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0302660; 24 Jun 2003 22:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19UvwS-0007kA-00; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:07:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5OM73h06168 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:07:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5OM73b06164 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:07:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19UvwM-00047i-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:07:02 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:05:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Hmmmm.... Has there been any advance on suitable drivers for combined >scanners/copiers/printers? If so, it might be the time to save up for >one of those. The majority (though not all) of my scanning is for >copying purposes, and my printer is somewhat asthmatic these days. No. Long ago, I and others expended effort trying to find out about these, but got nowhere. Frankly I would not start on such a project today. There is a good guide to what is possible. If there is a third party driver for any piece of hardware (usually Linux, but Mac or Windows sometimes) then it is possible to write a driver for RISC OS. If not, then not. I don't know if this is hard to grasp but for some scanners information is available, for others it isn't. This is not negotiable. For example scanner X may be sold by Canon, have their badge on the box, but be made by another company. You can rant all you like at Canon they don't know how their scanner works. Linux has changed the rules a little from a few years back. At least there is a market of some size which may benefit from people documenting hardware. However they will have the same reservations about it - allowing competitors to see how their products work, expending effort, ending up with poor results for their kit. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 25 14:18:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19V5JW-3-6J4-6w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:18:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19V5JW-3-6J4-6w; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:07:34 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0329011; 25 Jun 2003 8:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19V5JF-0001td-00; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:07:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5P86nS19039 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:06:49 +0100 Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5P86mI19035 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:06:48 +0100 Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id h5P86lTA001738 (8.12.9/2.03); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:06:47 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:50:03 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 2 [4.33] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h5P86nI19036 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi David, On Tue 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >Perhaps Mr P could let us pay for a version... Soon. > > Thanks for the offers of cash. One day... > > Today someone pointed out is Midsummers day, and I promised it would be > finished by then (alas last years). > > I guess by Midwinters day. > > What remains to be done is a new font menu, some redraw problems, a bit > of work on bit maps, and the horrors of irregular clipping for > PostScript. to say it mildly! > That should then be on a par with the RISC OS version, but obviously > there will be loads of scope for stuff like RTF and MS Word loaders and > so on. Here it is RISC OS only, and sometimes I have the feeling, RISC OS is too low on the priority scale, and its todo list doesn't exist anymore. I run into the clipping problems last year when I did some DTP work for the first time. It wasn't good for OP in particular, and the RISC OS platform in general as I was asked continiously why I didn't use Wintel and leave that silly /risk os/ thing directly. I can only hope that - indeed - RISC OS can benefit from the developements of the Wintel version, but please don't wait too long David. Making proper PostScript and PDF files is an absolute must for going to the printers. Please David, may I strongly ask to work on the native version asap? Correct clipping is my first need! TIA greetings from the Netherlands, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place All machines are amplifiers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 25 14:48:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19VAWj-2-3ZV-wT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:48:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19VAWj-2-3ZV-wT; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:41:33 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ac0206203; 25 Jun 2003 13:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19VAH6-0006Ob-00; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:25:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5PDOYV25438 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:24:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5PDOX225424 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:24:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19VAGE-0001Y1-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:24:30 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:22:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I can only hope that - indeed - RISC OS can benefit from the developements >of the Wintel version To an extent yes it will. for example RTF and Word loaders would immediately work on RISC OS. However RISC OS users have to face up to the fact that they're a dwindling band, where did the other 90% go to? >Please David, may I strongly ask to work on the native version asap? >Correct clipping is my first need! This where your email is a surprise. What is wrong with irregular clipping in the RISC OS version? Actually I've told the tale wrongly to make it simple, the problem to be more precise is bitmap images with an irregular mask. On RISC OS that leads to the horrors of the RISC OS printer drivers chopping up images into tiny pieces, that does cause trouble, but affects all RISC OS programs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 25 19:38:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19VF65-2-um-3i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:38:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19VF65-2-um-3i; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:34:21 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0203715; 25 Jun 2003 18:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19VF5h-00018Y-00; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:33:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5PIXBk19170 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:33:11 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5PIXAr19162 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:33:10 +0100 Received: from [62.188.105.246] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19VF4s-0005t2-QA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:33:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:28:20 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Re:OP-Windows version Message-ID: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > Thanks for the offers of cash. One day... Roll on that day! Meantime, for the most non-techie member of this group, could some kind person explain and help with the following error. When loading a file I get: "Error: Multiple definition at line 6 in C:\....Overwrite.csc". When I click OK the file loads. In spite of my technical ignorance I thought I would try to open the said "Overwrite.csc" file, but only got the same Error message and the file would not open. I *think* this has only happened with the last 2 versions. TIA. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 25 21:48:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19VH3N-3-2LB-1V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:48:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19VH3N-3-2LB-1V; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:39:41 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0304601; 25 Jun 2003 20:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19VH2K-0003v9-00; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:38:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5PKbsI28122 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:37:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5PKbrN28117 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:37:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19VH1b-0008qU-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:37:51 +0100 Message-ID: <6$uYllDCfg++EwV7@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:36:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re:OP-Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Meantime, for the most non-techie member of this group, could some kind person >explain and help with the following error. When loading a file I get: >"Error: Multiple definition at line 6 in C:\....Overwrite.csc". >When I click OK the file loads. In spite of my technical ignorance I thought I >would try to open the said "Overwrite.csc" file, but only got the same Error >message and the file would not open. Yes as I said that is the one case where you can't install one copy of OP for Win over another. As I dimly recall I changed the name of the over write applet. All you have to do is open the Applets folder inside OP, and get rid of the one not called Ovrwrite. Or to do it the hard way, uninstall and then install. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 25 22:08:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19VHMA-2-1ok-3B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:08:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19VHMA-2-1ok-3B; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:59:06 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0203506; 25 Jun 2003 20:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19VHLO-00066a-00; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:58:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5PKw8S02412 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:58:08 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5PKw8O02405 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:58:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19VHLC-0005vg-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:58:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:56:35 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re:OP-Windows version References: <6$uYllDCfg++EwV7@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6$uYllDCfg++EwV7@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Another go, this is what appeared here in May >I just downloaded and installed the latest version of OP for Windows - >2.70 9th April - and got an error message about Applets.OverwritX and >multiple definitions when I tried to load it. >It seems that the installer is renaming the original Overwrite to >Overwritx, but leaving it in the Applets folder. Oops. The applet used to be called Overwritx - in fact that was a customised version, for some reason I didn't like how the release version worked on RISC OS so I had my own copy. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 26 20:54:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19Vch0-2-1No-3A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:54:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19Vch0-2-1No-3A; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:46:02 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0211663; 26 Jun 2003 19:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Vcgi-00019K-00; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:45:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5QJjaL06267 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:45:36 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5QJjZp06262 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:45:36 +0100 Received: from [62.188.17.172] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19VcgR-000269-F4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:45:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:56:18 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re:OP-Windows version Message-ID: <5c357d084c.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> References: <6$uYllDCfg++EwV7@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6$uYllDCfg++EwV7@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <6$uYllDCfg++EwV7@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >Meantime, for the most non-techie member of this group, could some kind person > >explain and help with the following error. When loading a file I get: > >"Error: Multiple definition at line 6 in C:\....Overwrite.csc". > >When I click OK the file loads. In spite of my technical ignorance I thought I > >would try to open the said "Overwrite.csc" file, but only got the same Error > >message and the file would not open. > > Yes as I said that is the one case where you can't install one copy of > OP for Win over another. As I dimly recall I changed the name of the > over write applet. All you have to do is open the Applets folder inside > OP, and get rid of the one not called Ovrwrite. Gosh, it works! Very many thanks. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 26 21:04:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19Vct0-2-57r-3T.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:04:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19Vct0-2-57r-3T; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:58:26 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0221183; 26 Jun 2003 19:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Vct4-00015Y-00; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:58:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5QJwHh10970 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:58:17 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5QJwHF10967 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:58:17 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Vcsl-00081g-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:58:11 +0200 Received: from [172.178.93.221] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Vcsl-0004b2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:58:11 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:58:53 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h5QJwHF10968 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > I run into the clipping problems last year when I did some DTP work for the > first time. It wasn't good for OP in particular, and the RISC OS platform in > general as I was asked continiously why I didn't use Wintel and leave that > silly /risk os/ thing directly. So, what are "the clipping problems"? There are various under RISC OS but not in OvationPro as far as I am aware. > I can only hope that - indeed - RISC OS can benefit from the > developements of the Wintel version, but please don't wait too long > David. Making proper PostScript and PDF files is an absolute must for > going to the printers. So, what is wrong with the PostScript files produced by OP? Apart from deep sprites not being able to have a mask (which cannot be achieved under Windows either). Of course, if you use RiScript to produce the PDF you will most certainly run into RiScript's clipping problems. That is a limitation in RiScript and has nothing to do with OP. Using GhostScript (via the nice !ps2pdf front-end) yields perfect PDFs for printing. > Please David, may I strongly ask to work on the native version asap? > Correct clipping is my first need! As far as I can see the clipping produced by OP is correct. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 28 13:37:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056801885:20:15378:141".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:37:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056801885:20:15378:141; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:04:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101672; 28 Jun 2003 12:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WERH-00010X-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:04:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SC3Oa14467 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:03:24 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SC3Nm14456 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:03:23 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19WEQM-0009cl-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:03:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:49:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Snapper: error Message-ID: <4c099fc149Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist V1.07, 18 Oct 2002 of snapper, RO3.70/3, SharedClib 5.45, SA RPC, 258M RAM. I was using snapper to take pictures of parts (using the Area option) of an Oregano2 window. I'd taken several pics already (4 I think), and on the 5th got an error box with describe/continue/quit options saying (as !reporter logged) 12:37:05.87 ** WimpError ** from Snapper Error : &00000410 Message: No readable memory at this address: I tried again and got the same thing. Then I used !Paint to take a pic of the same text and that worked. Screen is set to display in 256c 1024x768. One thing that might be relevant is that for the first 3 or 4 pics the red frame that one uses to indicate the picture area remained on the screen and I dragged the O2 window around to fit different bits under the frame. But after that I did something else (not sure what, maybe changed the extent of the O2 window, and the red frame disappeared). To get it back I clicked on the !Snapper tool pane's Screen option and then back on the Area option. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 28 13:55:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056804940:10:06981:146".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:55:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056804940:10:06981:146; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:55:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108292; 28 Jun 2003 12:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WFEl-0004YG-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:55:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SCtEV26764 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:55:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SCtEe26761 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:55:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19WFEX-000Eew-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:55:13 +0100 Message-ID: <3H1bbTBq$Y$+Ewfx@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:54:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Snapper: error References: <4c099fc149Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c099fc149Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I was using snapper to take pictures of parts (using the Area option) >of an Oregano2 window. I'd taken several pics already (4 I think), and >on the 5th got an error box with describe/continue/quit options saying >(as !reporter logged) I guess I'd be interested if you can do this repeatably. Historically Snapper has had problems with getting memory calculations of sprite sizes correct - there's a lot of complication with 'wastages' which the later versions have had to try to remove. ISTR the last time I worked on Snapper I had one session where it behaved terribly, when I went back to fix the problem it had gone. My guess, it is something to do with landing on precise pixel boundaries on screen. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 28 15:06:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19WGKl-1-1Gk-2K.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:06:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19WGKl-1-1Gk-2K; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:05:43 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0105160; 28 Jun 2003 14:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WGKA-0004sL-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:05:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SE4Iw10840 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:04:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SE4DI10817 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:04:14 +0100 Received: from david ([62.31.235.67]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:04:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c33d7e$202fe810$1530a8c0@david> From: "David Woodman" To: References: <4c099fc149Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <3H1bbTBq$Y$+Ewfx@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP-Windows printing Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:03:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2003 14:04:02.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[20C79430:01C33D7E] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I would love to use OP Windows for pamphlet printing but cannot get it to work. I've read through the list archives and managed to set up the system to output Postscript files so that I save on paper wastage when trying things out. I've also read about selecting "pamplet" and setting the scale to 100%. However, it seems to make no difference what scale is entered into the OP print setup box on my system. Also most of the other check boxes in that area of the dialogue box seem to have no effect either. (e.g. sideways printing) The only way I can get two A4 pages side by side shrunk onto A4 landscape is by setting 2 pages per sheet in the printer driver properties / layout. But this doesn't print the right pages where they should be. Am I being thick or is this part of the unfinished OPro Windows? David Woodman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 28 15:24:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19WGcU-3-Aj-h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:24:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19WGcU-3-Aj-h; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:24:02 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0328210; 28 Jun 2003 14:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WGbo-0002ue-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:23:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SENGr15802 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:23:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SENFf15797 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:23:15 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19WGbi-0004rV-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:23:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:15:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Snapper: error Message-ID: <4c09ad1819Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3H1bbTBq$Y$+Ewfx@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c099fc149Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <3H1bbTBq$Y$+Ewfx@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3H1bbTBq$Y$+Ewfx@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I guess I'd be interested if you can do this repeatably. Knowing my luck it will happen just often enough to be annoying, but not often enough for me to see any pattern in its behaviour or to expect to be able to recreate it on demand... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 28 16:39:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056814727:20:03736:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:39:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056814727:20:03736:45; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:38:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106379; 28 Jun 2003 15:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WHlq-0003oQ-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:37:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SFbFf01405 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:37:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SFbFa01402 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:37:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19WHlK-0007Ic-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:37:14 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:35:56 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP-Windows printing References: <4c099fc149Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <3H1bbTBq$Y$+Ewfx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000701c33d7e$202fe810$1530a8c0@david> In-Reply-To: <000701c33d7e$202fe810$1530a8c0@david> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I would love to use OP Windows for pamphlet printing but cannot get it to >work. >Am I being thick or is this part of the unfinished OPro Windows? As far as I know more work is needed. I'll perhaps have a look later today. Having fixed the problem with upside down bitmaps on LaserJets, I've also fixed the thing with not showing all the printers on W9X*. So getting there... * fixed version is not available yet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 28 17:04:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056816226:20:05769:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:04:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056816226:20:05769:62; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:03:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105550; 28 Jun 2003 16:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WIAb-0007Bx-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:03:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SG2sA07856 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:02:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SG2rC07853 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:02:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19WIA9-000IZV-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:02:53 +0100 Message-ID: <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:01:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML (free HTML filter) References: <01f601c3216a$50470ef0$149e193e@stevens> <4bf75c3c2bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <005201c325c8$ab421ef0$74a474d5@padua> <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist The latest version OvHTML 034 is about to appear... I want to get in something before it does. I've attacked this version, to make it work on the Iyonix. So if it comes to grief it is my fault and not the authors. Richard Murray is in a distant country, beyond reach of the internet, so things arrive on floppy disc, communication is via carbon sprayed on dead tree carried by messenger, and we'd still be waiting at Christmas. He says he'd do a HTML saver if anyone was interested. The original program used double click + ALT to open up the configuration window. I couldn't get this to work on my Iyonix. So I've changed it to double click + Control. Kind of interesting, if anyone else has problems with double click + ALT on the Iyonix? SparkFS has a feature were the front end quits unless ALT is held down when SparkFS is run. I'd guess this also wouldn't work on the Iyo. Yet no one has mentioned it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:38:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19WJxe-3-6mF-q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:38:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19WJxe-3-6mF-q; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:58:06 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0325175; 28 Jun 2003 17:57 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WJxJ-0008OF-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:57:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SHvFP03927 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:57:15 +0100 Received: from he200war.uk.vianw.net (he200war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.244.148]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SHvEK03924 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:57:15 +0100 Received: from [195.102.201.105] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he200war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 19WJwl-00010w-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:57:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:56:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvHTML (free HTML filter) Message-ID: <4c09c14b84chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <01f601c3216a$50470ef0$149e193e@stevens> <4bf75c3c2bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <005201c325c8$ab421ef0$74a474d5@padua> <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.36) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The latest version OvHTML 034 is about to appear... I want to get > in something before it does. Version 0.34a has now been uploaded to the Opro alternative web site. -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:38:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19WWVW-3-2l5-18.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:38:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19WWVW-3-2l5-18; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 07:21:54 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0310532; 29 Jun 2003 7:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WWVJ-00071Q-00; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:21:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5T7L9p22156 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:21:09 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5T7L8K22150 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:21:08 +0100 Received: from localhost ([213.48.202.128]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:21:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 07:56:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvHTML (free HTML filter) Message-ID: <4c0a08bcfbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <01f601c3216a$50470ef0$149e193e@stevens> <4bf75c3c2bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <005201c325c8$ab421ef0$74a474d5@padua> <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2003 07:21:07.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[01E8C750:01C33E0F] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > Kind of interesting, if anyone else has problems with double click + > ALT on the Iyonix? SparkFS has a feature were the front end quits > unless ALT is held down when SparkFS is run. I'd guess this also > wouldn't work on the Iyo. Yet no one has mentioned it. Yes and no. For SparkFS, if you Alt-double click it doesn't work but if you double-click closely followed by Alt then it does. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:38:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19WYzL-2-1TH-2x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:38:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19WYzL-2-1TH-2x; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:00:51 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0205396; 29 Jun 2003 9:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WYy9-0000jr-00; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:59:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5T9xDg18714 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:59:13 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5T9xCe18711 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:59:12 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust104.tnt33.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.160.104] with SMTP for id h5T9x9Ua027697 (8.12.9/2.04); Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:59:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000101c33dc9$34dee6d0$68a074d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <01f601c3216a$50470ef0$149e193e@stevens> <4bf75c3c2bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <005201c325c8$ab421ef0$74a474d5@padua> <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c0a08bcfbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvHTML (free HTML filter) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:58:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:56 AM, Ian Hamilton wrote: > In article <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > [Snip] > >> Kind of interesting, if anyone else has problems with double click + >> ALT on the Iyonix? SparkFS has a feature were the front end quits >> unless ALT is held down when SparkFS is run. I'd guess this also >> wouldn't work on the Iyo. Yet no one has mentioned it. > > Yes and no. For SparkFS, if you Alt-double click it doesn't work but > if you double-click closely followed by Alt then it does. Not Iyonix, RO4.02 on an not SA computer: SparkFS: no quit of front end with ALT held down. save window with the button-on for save type. Depending on *where* I double-clicked on the icon of SparkFS: low the bottom type (my case Zip) is on, high on the icon on the icon bar the one above the zip is selected. OvHTML: old: ALT+double click works as long as I keep ALT down till the config window and icon on the bar appears. When I copy the old 'CheckIfAlt' in the new version. Same happens in the new version. OvHTML: new with CONTROL+double click: works as long as I keep CONTROL down till the config window and icon appear. In both cases: I have to keep the key down longer than the double-click. Or, if you wish, this seems -for a not programmer- rather similar to: 'double-click closely followed by Alt' Maybe a button for the button bar to access the config window of !OvHTML can be made? That is, as long OP doesn't need to be restarted, when a change is made in the config of OvHTML via a button. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19WwAT-3-3ep-o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19WwAT-3-3ep-o; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:45:53 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0312412; 30 Jun 2003 10:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WwA5-0002v8-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:45:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UAib811061 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:44:37 +0100 Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UAibb11054 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:44:37 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Ww9D-000LMq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:44:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:16:23 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 2 [4.33] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Martin, On Thu 26 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > I run into the clipping problems last year when I did some DTP work for > > the first time. It wasn't good for OP in particular, and the RISC OS > > platform in general as I was asked continiously why I didn't use Wintel > > and leave that silly /riskos/ thing directly. > > So, what are "the clipping problems"? There are various under RISC OS but > not in OvationPro as far as I am aware. To be honest, I don't know where the clipping problems are actually initiated, but after printing to file with the normal postscript driver followed by conversion to PDF by RiScript, the output and result at the printer's is just horror: irregular frames are now rectangular, pushing the flowing text around the irregular frame away, making a mess of the layout. But even with rectangular frames with graphics in it, the output contains the full graphic, and not the part what's actually used inside the frame. That's the way I do it, to precisely position, scale and size the picture in the document. > > I can only hope that - indeed - RISC OS can benefit from the > > developements of the Wintel version, but please don't wait too long > > David. Making proper PostScript and PDF files is an absolute must for > > going to the printers. > > So, what is wrong with the PostScript files produced by OP? Apart from > deep sprites not being able to have a mask (which cannot be achieved under > Windows either). 1 : The full graphic is used, instead of the actually visible part 2 : Irregular frames are rectangles again, pushing flowing text away > Of course, if you use RiScript to produce the PDF you will most certainly > run into RiScript's clipping problems. That is a limitation in RiScript > and has nothing to do with OP. OK, I think I get the point! :-) But why is OP outputting the full graphic instead clipping the graphic to the part that is actually used? I suppose in normal/direct printing, it does something similar, as the resulting graphic is then /exactly/ as intended by size and visible part which is inside the frame. Still confused here! The same applies to irregular frames. Direct printing is ok, but the resulting PostScript file in RiScript is no good, as well as the PDF output from it. I don't have a copy of RiScript myself, and I depend on someone who was willing to do some experimenting with my OP files, so I can't do the "trial and error route" myself. Certainly I don't want to ask any more time from him, as I've already asked far too much. > Using GhostScript (via the nice !ps2pdf front-end) yields perfect PDFs for > printing. Indeed I downloaded it all (for the second time) and try to start with it. But somehow I cannot find the proper way to start with it. I looked for the info and help - or whatever it is called - but still don't know where to begin with. Allow me to ask what PS driver I need. It's Printers 1.64a (26 June 2001), using the PoScript2 driver (SA machine, RISC OS Select 2). > > Please David, may I strongly ask to work on the native version asap? > > Correct clipping is my first need! > > As far as I can see the clipping produced by OP is correct. OK, thanks. It's me then: struggling to find my way in the mists over PS/PDF land. Thanks Martin. greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Chances are if your parents didn't have children then you wont either! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19WwB3-1-2Zf-1h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19WwB3-1-2Zf-1h; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:46:29 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ad0107346; 30 Jun 2003 10:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WwA6-0000gg-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:45:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UAiYf11041 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:44:34 +0100 Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UAiWQ11023 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:44:32 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Ww98-000LMq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:44:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:34:05 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 2 [4.33] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi David, On Wed 25 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >I can only hope that - indeed - RISC OS can benefit from the developements > >of the Wintel version > > To an extent yes it will. for example RTF and Word loaders would > immediately work on RISC OS. Never felt the need for those. > However RISC OS users have to face up to the fact that they're a > dwindling band, where did the other 90% go to? Is that an accurate number, or is it OP related? That would be absolutely a shame. Anyway, for as long as possible I would continue to use RISC OS. But more importantly, I don't have the money now - and most likely in future as well - to buy me a lap top, and buy and use the windows version of OP on that, as indeed that would be a splendid combination to use, in particular at the printers to do some final corrections. > >Please David, may I strongly ask to work on the native version asap? > >Correct clipping is my first need! > > This where your email is a surprise. What is wrong with irregular > clipping in the RISC OS version? OK, I get it wrong then. As I stumbled in to those clipping problems totaly unexpected with the generated PS/PDF files, I thought you can fix that (partly?) from OP, although I realise from other postings it is a RiScript problem(?). As printing is done rectangle by rectangle I had the impression OP could do some clipping itself: e.g. clip the graphic in a frame to what is visible /in/ that frame, and not using/outputting what is outside the frame. > Actually I've told the tale wrongly to make it simple, the problem to be > more precise is bitmap images with an irregular mask. On RISC OS that > leads to the horrors of the RISC OS printer drivers chopping up images > into tiny pieces, that does cause trouble, but affects all RISC OS > programs. Never seen this I think, so I have never used this so far. Thanks David for your reply. I'll go back inside and stop my nonsense talk. Sorry faulks for the inconvenience I've caused. greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19WxJx-2-3fv-2v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19WxJx-2-3fv-2v; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:59:45 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0217072; 30 Jun 2003 11:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WxJp-0000VQ-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:59:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UBwx811719 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:58:59 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UBwss11686 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:58:55 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19WxJ7-000DxJ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:58:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:31:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4c0aa5bcf2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Jun, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > To be honest, I don't know where the clipping problems are actually > initiated, but after printing to file with the normal postscript driver It's OK up to here. > followed by conversion to PDF by RiScript, It may be OK at this point. > the output from RiScript is wrong. > and result at the printer's is just horror: irregular frames are now > rectangular, pushing the flowing text around the irregular frame away, > making a mess of the layout. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19X0Ri-2-57k-Ee.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19X0Ri-2-57k-Ee; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:19:58 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0224905; 30 Jun 2003 15:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X0QI-0004mL-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:18:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UFI2B07278 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:18:02 +0100 Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UFHvT07220 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:17:58 +0100 Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id h5UFHtv7017885 (8.12.9/2.03); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:17:56 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:10:20 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c0aa5bcf2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 2 [4.33] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi John, On Mon 30 Jun, John Cartmell wrote: > On 30 Jun, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > To be honest, I don't know where the clipping problems are actually > > initiated, but after printing to file with the normal postscript driver > > It's OK up to here. Are you sure? ... > > > followed by conversion to PDF by RiScript, ... as in RiScript the PS result is already wrong, e.g. the graphic is in full, instead of the used part of it, which is the part /in/ the frame. [!] > It may be OK at this point. > > > the output > > from RiScript is wrong. I think you're right. :-) So - as Martin suggested - it's time to give other software a chance! [!] Does that mean I'm already wrong here, or is it something else, like some settings I'm not aware of? greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19X1Il-1-7LY-4S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19X1Il-1-7LY-4S; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:14:47 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0128822; 30 Jun 2003 16:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X1IC-0003gm-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:14:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UGE1B02626 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:14:01 +0100 Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il (mxout2.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UGDwc02593 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:13:59 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.175.10]) by mxout2.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHA0035SYF4XL@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:13:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:13:11 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have a document with embedded TableMate files, which does not print correctly on the Iyonix, but does print on the Risc PC with the same version of OPro (the latest version). The actual table rulings are printed, but not the text within. No difference which printer driver is used. ????? Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19X3Tk-3-16c-1l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19X3Tk-3-16c-1l; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:34:16 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0301236; 30 Jun 2003 18:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X3T4-0001aV-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:33:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UIXJR30021 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:33:19 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:elF7UfNF0rHClF8f/zx0fJAtrPYoqtOU@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UIXIP30017 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:33:18 +0100 Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X3Sn-0004lF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:33:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:36:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4c0acc9d33gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c0aa5bcf2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > Hi John, > On Mon 30 Jun, John Cartmell wrote: > > On 30 Jun, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > To be honest, I don't know where the clipping problems are > > > actually initiated, but after printing to file with the normal > > > postscript driver > > > > It's OK up to here. > Are you sure? ... Yes, Ovation Pro's PostScript output is fine. I use it everyday at work, for many different types of jobs. All of which get sent to a number of different PostScript devices and RIPs. > > > followed by conversion to PDF by RiScript, > ... as in RiScript the PS result is already wrong, e.g. the graphic > is in full, instead of the used part of it, which is the part > /in/ the frame. [!] No, it is correct that the PostScript file should contain the full graphic picture. Also in the output generated by OPro is a clipping path for the picture that describes what parts of that picture should be transferred to the page. The problems you have experienced is due to RiScript ignoring the clipping path so the whole picture is rendered. My recommendation would be to forget about using RiScript to make the PDF files, it's just not up to the job. But why not give the PostScript file directly to your print house, if they are insistent on dealing with PDFs then let them create it by distilling the PostScript file. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19X4Sp-1-7c4-d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19X4Sp-1-7c4-d; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:37:23 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0123766; 30 Jun 2003 19:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X4Rk-0002I2-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:36:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UJZcl22198 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:35:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UJZZp22178 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:35:36 +0100 Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19X4R5-000Dg5-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:35:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:35:39 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <5212d20a4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > Allow me to ask what PS driver I need. It's Printers 1.64a (26 June > > 2001), using the PoScript2 driver (SA machine, RISC OS Select 2). > > Yes, that is OK. I am using Priners 1.90b4 on my RPC and this has no PS level 2 PDF. So I use Apple laser Writer as that is the only one that works. But I suspect the Apple is not Level 2. Anyone know of a PS level 2 PDF for this version of Printers? (I have to use 1.90b4 as it is the only release after 1.53 that prints OK to my BJC 5500 printer; the 1.6x series cut off half the output.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XF2a-1-7eB-2u.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XF2a-1-7eB-2u; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:55:00 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0129571; 1 Jul 2003 6:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XF1n-0004wk-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:54:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h616qwX10462 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:52:58 +0100 Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h616qvh10458 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:52:58 +0100 Received: from host217-34-70-147.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.70.147.33030] helo=acornrpc) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19XF0b-0005JS-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:52:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:52:57 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Jun, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: [snip] >> The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an Impression >> Publisher document running under Aemulor on the Iyonix! > > Just in case anyone suggests that it works in Impression as it is > running under Aemulor, I can now confirm that it works in EasyWriter, > running in native mode on the Iyonix, so it is an Ovation Pro/Iyonix > combination problem. > Does it work if you export the table from TableMate as a Drawfile rather than a table? It *shouldn't* be any different, as &BCF files are modified Drawfiles - in fact in Select 3 if you have the filer set to Thumbnail view it actually displays tables as graphics. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holiday report from the Orkneys - -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XFF1-3-3AH-39.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XFF1-3-3AH-39; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:07:51 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0311761; 1 Jul 2003 7:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XFEF-00041Q-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:07:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6175xx13541 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:05:59 +0100 Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il (mxout2.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6175w813536 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:05:58 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.45.201]) by mxout2.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHC005MS3PSTU@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:05:52 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:05:10 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F0132A6.2090504@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Brian Howlett wrote: > On 30 Jun, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > >>Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > [snip] > >>>The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an Impression >>>Publisher document running under Aemulor on the Iyonix! >> >>Just in case anyone suggests that it works in Impression as it is >>running under Aemulor, I can now confirm that it works in EasyWriter, >>running in native mode on the Iyonix, so it is an Ovation Pro/Iyonix >>combination problem. >> > > Does it work if you export the table from TableMate as a Drawfile rather > than a table? No. That also fails. It must be an OPro/Iyonix Drawfile with embedded text problem. > It *shouldn't* be any different, as &BCF files are modified Drawfiles - > in fact in Select 3 if you have the filer set to Thumbnail view it > actually displays tables as graphics. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XFIr-1-50g-3E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XFIr-1-50g-3E; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:11:49 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0120221; 1 Jul 2003 7:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XFIW-0004zN-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:11:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h617B5o14556 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:11:05 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h617B4M14552 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:11:04 +0100 Received: from riscpc (81-86-204-8.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.204.8]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F148E16000241 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:11:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:09:36 +0100 From: Dr Robert N Hunter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Hunter & Edgar User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > On 30 Jun, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > [snip] > >> The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an Impression > >> Publisher document running under Aemulor on the Iyonix! > > > > Just in case anyone suggests that it works in Impression as it is > > running under Aemulor, I can now confirm that it works in EasyWriter, > > running in native mode on the Iyonix, so it is an Ovation Pro/Iyonix > > combination problem. > > > Does it work if you export the table from TableMate as a Drawfile rather > than a table? > > It *shouldn't* be any different, as &BCF files are modified Drawfiles - > in fact in Select 3 if you have the filer set to Thumbnail view it > actually displays tables as graphics. I used to experience the same phenomenon with Ovation Pro on the RiscPC. It is not an Iyonix problem. -- Robert -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XFQX-2-5QC-2y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XFQX-2-5QC-2y; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:19:45 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0225333; 1 Jul 2003 7:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XFQK-0004zq-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:19:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h617J6d16407 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:19:06 +0100 Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il (mxout1.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h617J6q16402 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:19:06 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.45.201]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHC00MDE4BCQJ@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:18:49 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:18:07 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dr Robert N Hunter wrote: > In message you wrote: > > >>On 30 Jun, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: >> >> >>>Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: >> >>[snip] >> >>>>The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an Impression >>>>Publisher document running under Aemulor on the Iyonix! >>> >>>Just in case anyone suggests that it works in Impression as it is >>>running under Aemulor, I can now confirm that it works in EasyWriter, >>>running in native mode on the Iyonix, so it is an Ovation Pro/Iyonix >>>combination problem. >>> >> >>Does it work if you export the table from TableMate as a Drawfile rather >>than a table? >> >>It *shouldn't* be any different, as &BCF files are modified Drawfiles - >>in fact in Select 3 if you have the filer set to Thumbnail view it >>actually displays tables as graphics. > > > I used to experience the same phenomenon with Ovation Pro on the RiscPC. It is not an Iyonix problem. The file in question works perfectly with the same release of OPro on the Risc PC. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XGfC-3-fH-2V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XGfC-3-fH-2V; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:38:58 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0303595; 1 Jul 2003 8:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XGeb-0006mZ-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:38:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h618btL06201 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:37:55 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h618br806182 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:37:53 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XGe8-0007CH-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:37:52 +0200 Received: from [172.178.59.18] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XGe6-0005CJ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:37:52 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:03:18 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <5f15e50a4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> <5212d20a4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5212d20a4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <5212d20a4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > In message > > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > > Allow me to ask what PS driver I need. It's Printers 1.64a (26 June > > > 2001), using the PoScript2 driver (SA machine, RISC OS Select 2). > > > > Yes, that is OK. > > I am using Priners 1.90b4 on my RPC and this has no PS level 2 PDF. > So I use Apple laser Writer as that is the only one that works. But I > suspect the Apple is not Level 2. Anyone know of a PS level 2 PDF for > this version of Printers? What happens if you use the old one from Printers 1.6x? As the actual driver modules have not changed I cannot see a reason why there should not be a PS level 2 file for Printers+. > (I have to use 1.90b4 as it is the only release after 1.53 that prints > OK to my BJC 5500 printer; the 1.6x series cut off half the output.) It is not a problem to have multiple versions of Printers on your hard disc, so you could have a copy of Printers 1.6x for PS printing and 1.90x for printing to your Canon. You cannot load more than one version at the same time, of course. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XHQS-2-6Yy-1qi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XHQS-2-6Yy-1qi; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:27:48 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0216122; 1 Jul 2003 9:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XHGw-0008OT-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:17:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h619Gfh22720 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:16:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h619GfK22717 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:16:41 +0100 Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19XHFg-0000lJ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:16:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:14:02 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <7cff1c0b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> <5212d20a4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5f15e50a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <5f15e50a4c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <5f15e50a4c.martin@mw-software.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <5212d20a4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > In message <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > > In message > > > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > > > > Allow me to ask what PS driver I need. It's Printers 1.64a (26 June > > > > 2001), using the PoScript2 driver (SA machine, RISC OS Select 2). > > > > > > Yes, that is OK. > > > > I am using Priners 1.90b4 on my RPC and this has no PS level 2 PDF. > > So I use Apple laser Writer as that is the only one that works. But I > > suspect the Apple is not Level 2. Anyone know of a PS level 2 PDF for > > this version of Printers? > > What happens if you use the old one from Printers 1.6x? Doh! I just found the PD PDFs in 1.90b4 in the Generic folder. Thanks for causing me to have yet another search. The files are the same size and date as the 1.64 ones so doubtless are the same. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XHtH-3-bH-6Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XHtH-3-bH-6Z; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:57:35 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0310008; 1 Jul 2003 9:57 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XHpv-0007aU-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:54:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h619r2Y05729 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:53:02 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h619r1N05715 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:53:02 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust158.tnt33.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.160.158] with SMTP for id h619r0cm003697 (8.12.9/2.04); Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:53:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001801c33fbf$4023d760$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:53:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tuesday, July 01, 2003 8:47 AM, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Let's simplify things: Take a simple Draw file with a text area. Drop > it into OPro. It prints OK on the RiscPC, but not on the Iyonix. The > same Draw file prints OK on the Iyonix from Impression Publisher > and EasiWriter. Text area is not the same as text object. Most programs support declaration of fonts in text objects in imported Draw format -without the same font used in the native part of the doc (before) and hence declared in the PostScript output. Less programs can do the same for text area's. This has been an issue in OP and Fwk. Easiwriter can cope with it. As far as I know from my Risc PC. When it doesn't work (not correct fonts in imported Draw File) -no matter what the reason is !- it can easily be solved by using that font somewhere natively in the doc. In white or in a not printable area (e.g. margin). Best, before the DrawFile ... Anyway, that's my experience. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XISu-3-2aW-26.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XISu-3-2aW-26; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:34:24 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0303266; 1 Jul 2003 10:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XIRa-0003qR-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:33:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61AWK224429 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:32:20 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61AWJF24423 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:32:19 +0100 Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HHC00LE3D0F1D@smtp05.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:26:40 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:22:19 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: <3F0154E2.3040301@netvision.net.il> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c0b233fa6paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <3F0154E2.3040301@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear all, I have exactly the same problem here - outlined text in draw files does not print in OPro. But I have reason to believe that this is a quite recent behaviour, actually since the latest update of RISC OS 5 (which is 5.03). The logo of my foundation, that indeed has some text embedded, ceased to print properly since about two months (I can't determine exactly when), but seems to be related to the latest Iyonix update. Hard to say, however, which one the culprit is: OPro, Iyonix, Font manager, update? I'll post my experience to the Iyonix mail list. Interestingly, an ArtWorks version of the same draw file prints perfectly. Does this ring any bell? It is at least a temporary solution to the problem, albeit restricted to draw files, of course. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XJ73-2-2Vb-6F4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XJ73-2-2Vb-6F4; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:15:53 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ac0206707; 1 Jul 2003 10:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XI9x-0001ks-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:14:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61AENb15959 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:14:23 +0100 Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il (mxout1.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61AEM315950 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:14:22 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.45.201]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHC00N4HCFO39@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:14:13 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:13:31 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: <001801c33fbf$4023d760$6502a8c0@padua> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F015ECB.4000805@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> <001801c33fbf$4023d760$6502a8c0@padua> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Tuesday, July 01, 2003 8:47 AM, > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > >>Let's simplify things: Take a simple Draw file with a text area. Drop >>it into OPro. It prints OK on the RiscPC, but not on the Iyonix. The >>same Draw file prints OK on the Iyonix from Impression Publisher >>and EasiWriter. > > > Text area is not the same as text object. > Most programs support declaration of fonts in text objects in imported Draw > format -without the same font used in the native part of the doc (before) > and hence declared in the PostScript output. > > Less programs can do the same for text area's. This has been an issue in OP > and Fwk. Easiwriter can cope with it. As far as I know from my Risc PC. > > When it doesn't work (not correct fonts in imported Draw File) -no matter > what the reason is !- it can easily be solved by using that font somewhere > natively in the doc. In white or in a not printable area (e.g. margin). > Best, before the DrawFile ... > > Anyway, that's my experience. OK. Let's be more precise. I entered Draw, selected the text button and typed in some text. Saved the Draw file and dropped it into Ovation Pro. If I changed the font to an outline font, it printed as blank. Having text in the same outline font in the main part of the OPro document made no difference at all. It was OK on the Risc PC, and with Impression or EasiWriter on the Iyonix. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:39:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XKBu-1-491-13w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:39:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XKBu-1-491-13w; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:24:58 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ae0100931; 1 Jul 2003 12:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XK2r-0007Km-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:15:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61CF4f06379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:15:04 +0100 Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61CF2w06350 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:15:02 +0100 Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id h61CExv5000204 (8.12.9/2.03); Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:15:00 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:11:54 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c0acc9d33gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 2 [4.33] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Gavin, On Mon 30 Jun, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > On Mon 30 Jun, John Cartmell wrote: > > > On 30 Jun, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > > > To be honest, I don't know where the clipping problems are > > > > actually initiated, but after printing to file with the normal > > > > postscript driver > > > > > > It's OK up to here. > > > Are you sure? ... > > Yes, Ovation Pro's PostScript output is fine. [snip] Thank for the assurance. As Marting gives some clue of the format in the PS file - full graphic and clipping details - now I understand how things should works, and how silly my assumptions and suggestions were. A thank you to you as well! Greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place People will accept your idea much more readily if you tell them Benjamin Franklin said it first. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:40:00 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XKy7-1-vE-LE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:40:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XKy7-1-vE-LE; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:14:47 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0129821; 1 Jul 2003 13:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XKun-0004Um-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:11:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61DBDu32135 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:11:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61DBCU32127 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:11:12 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XKua-0008lr-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:11:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:27:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: <4c0b2ebcf8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3F0154E2.3040301@netvision.net.il> References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> <60c21a0b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <3F0154E2.3040301@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3F0154E2.3040301@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > I would be damned if I can see anything wrong with the print from the > > Iyonix. What sort of things happen at your end? > No text is printed. By the way: Did you leave the system font (as is > the Draw default for text areas) or did you set an outline font? When > I tried with the system font it was OK, but outline fonts failed, > whether built-in or not. It'd be worth defining a PS printer and printing to a file and looking at the differences, if any, in whatever PS is being generated. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:40:03 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XLsd-2-1RD-23.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:40:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XLsd-2-1RD-23; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:13:11 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0206185; 1 Jul 2003 14:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XLsE-0002KB-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:12:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61ECE730926 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:12:14 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61ECC030888 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:12:12 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XLrf-00022W-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:12:11 +0200 Received: from [172.176.11.13] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XLrd-0006n2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:12:10 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:58:51 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > > Using GhostScript (via the nice !ps2pdf front-end) yields perfect PDFs > > > > for printing. > > > > > > Indeed I downloaded it all (for the second time) and try to start with > > > it. But somehow I cannot find the proper way to start with it. I looked > > > for the info and help - or whatever it is called - but still don't know > > > where to begin with. > > > > It is dead easy - assuming you have installed it correctly (which just > > means uncompressing the relevant archives to some place on your hard disc) > > and you have downloaded the ps2pdf utility, all you need to do is run > > !ps2pdf, then drag your PostScript file to the ps2pdf icon on the icon > > bar. > > No luck yet: memory and can't find file errors. You need to be a bit more specific, so I suggest you post the actual error message to the GhostScript list. > But I think it's a bit OT now in the context of this list? Is there a > better place (mailinglist Yes, there is a GhostScript mailing list (though I have not seen any message on it for a long time). Have a look at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript/ You can find information there on how to join it. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:40:03 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XLsf-3-4eT-n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:40:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XLsf-3-4eT-n; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:13:13 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0315547; 1 Jul 2003 14:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XLsE-0003dI-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:12:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61ECFQ30937 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:12:15 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61ECEZ30920 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:12:14 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XLrh-00023M-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:12:13 +0200 Received: from [172.176.11.13] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XLrg-0006n2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:12:12 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:12:51 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> <3F015ECB.4000805@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F015ECB.4000805@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <3F015ECB.4000805@netvision.net.il> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > OK. Let's be more precise. I entered Draw, selected the text button and > typed in some text. Saved the Draw file and dropped it into Ovation Pro. > If I changed the font to an outline font, it printed as blank. Having > text in the same outline font in the main part of the OPro document > made no difference at all. > It was OK on the Risc PC, and with Impression or EasiWriter on the > Iyonix. It is also OK with OvationPro on my Iyonix. :-) I tried with both SPrinter and the PostScript drivers and the text prints OK. Incidently there is a minimal pitfall: If you just enter one line of text in Draw and you save the Draw file while the caret is still in this line of text, then the text is not actually present in the file. But assuming that this was not the reason for the failure I think you need to send someone the resulting Draw and OvationPro files. I happy to test it for you. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:40:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XMKj-2-4JC-95.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:40:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XMKj-2-4JC-95; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:42:13 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0227456; 1 Jul 2003 14:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XMJg-00081m-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:41:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61Eep615726 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:40:51 +0100 Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il (mxout1.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61Eend15710 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:40:49 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.29.222]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHC000MKORUG9@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:40:43 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:40:00 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F019D40.1010400@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> <3F015ECB.4000805@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <3F015ECB.4000805@netvision.net.il> > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > >>OK. Let's be more precise. I entered Draw, selected the text button and >>typed in some text. Saved the Draw file and dropped it into Ovation Pro. >>If I changed the font to an outline font, it printed as blank. Having >>text in the same outline font in the main part of the OPro document >>made no difference at all. > > >>It was OK on the Risc PC, and with Impression or EasiWriter on the >>Iyonix. > > > It is also OK with OvationPro on my Iyonix. :-) I tried with both SPrinter > and the PostScript drivers and the text prints OK. > > Incidently there is a minimal pitfall: If you just enter one line of text > in Draw and you save the Draw file while the caret is still in this line > of text, then the text is not actually present in the file. > > But assuming that this was not the reason for the failure I think you need > to send someone the resulting Draw and OvationPro files. I happy to test > it for you. I have done some more tests. Resetting the machine cures the problem, so it must be something that was loaded up at some stage and which interfered. The machine had been up for 9 days, so that is a distinct possiblity! However, I have no idea what it might have been. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:40:09 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XOto-1-7Gp-2b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:40:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XOto-1-7Gp-2b; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0128021; 1 Jul 2003 17:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XOtR-0001E0-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:26:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61HPbm32331 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:25:37 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61HPaP32327 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:25:36 +0100 Received: from du-005-0068.freeuk.com ([212.126.146.68] helo=freeuk) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19XOsp-000BQq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:25:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:20:29 +0100 From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > Hi Martin, > > On Thu 26 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message > > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > > > I run into the clipping problems last year when I did some DTP work for > > > the first time. It wasn't good for OP in particular, and the RISC OS > > > platform in general as I was asked continiously why I didn't use Wintel > > > and leave that silly /riskos/ thing directly. > > > > So, what are "the clipping problems"? There are various under RISC OS but > > not in OvationPro as far as I am aware. When I experienced the 'clipping' a long time ago, someone told me the problem is a basic fault in !Draw. I now tend to use DPlingScan to crop any oversize graphics to desired size if clipping may be a problem. [snip] > > Of course, if you use RiScript to produce the PDF you will most certainly > > run into RiScript's clipping problems. That is a limitation in RiScript > > and has nothing to do with OP. If my information above is right, this explains why the problem also occurs with !RiScript, as this outputs PS and PDF files as Drawfiles. [snip] > > Using GhostScript (via the nice !ps2pdf front-end) yields perfect PDFs for > > printing. > > Indeed I downloaded it all (for the second time) and try to start with it. > But somehow I cannot find the proper way to start with it. I looked for the > info and help - or whatever it is called - but still don't know where to > begin with. > > Allow me to ask what PS driver I need. It's Printers 1.64a (26 June 2001), > using the PoScript2 driver (SA machine, RISC OS Select 2). > I've recently used !Ghostscript for the first time, and found it a very easy way to make a PDF file from PS, using a 12-page OPro A4 pamphlet with many graphics/photos and text. Print a PoScript file (I use 1.64a with PoScript2 driver), which can be very large (about 53Mb for my document-I also embed all the fonts in the PS file), and then convert it to PDF using a task window with the ps2pdf function (not the application of the same name) in !Ghostscript. The syntax is simple:after the * type ps2pdf[space][full pathname of PS file][space][full pathname of PDFfile] , then [return] . Both pathnames can be inserted simply by shift-dragging the relevant files to the caret in the task window (I keep an empty PDF file which I can copy and rename in the desired output directory, and drag this to the task window). The operation is fast (at least on my Kinetic RPC, 128Mb RAM, RISCOS 4.36 currently), and gives a PDF file of about 1.5Mb from the 53Mb PS file(smaller than the one from !RiScript, possibly because the latter makes the PDF via a Drawfile). Incidentally, the output PDF from !Ghostscript rendered correctly in Acrobat3, !pdf, and !RiScript, which doesn't always happen :) Hope all this is relevant to the problem, and may help somebody. Regards, -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:40:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056826990:10:27648:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:40:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056826990:10:27648:41; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:03:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1108247; 28 Jun 2003 19:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WKy6-0000VO-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:02:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SJ24t19075 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:02:04 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SJ22l19071 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:02:02 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.18]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030628190201.VWAS4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:02:01 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF052C4B2 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:09:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 28 Jun 2003 18:09:18 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:09:15 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML (free HTML filter) Message-ID: <6bffbc094c.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4bf75c3c2bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Caveat: (*): No guarantee is actually available. X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Sender-Machine: Gromit X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ X-Location: Portsmouth, UK X-Weather: Hot and sunny X-Weather-Current: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=3143 X-MailServer: Miranda X-MailServer-Software: Courier-IMAP 1.7.3/Postfix 2.0.10 X-NewsServer: Miranda X-NewsServer-Software: Leafnode 1.9.41 X-Printer: Brother HL-1670N X-Printer-Server: Buffy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 28 Jun, in message <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: [snip] >The original program used double click + ALT to open up the >configuration window. I couldn't get this to work on my Iyonix. So I've >changed it to double click + Control. > >Kind of interesting, if anyone else has problems with double click + ALT >on the Iyonix? SparkFS has a feature were the front end quits unless ALT >is held down when SparkFS is run. I'd guess this also wouldn't work on >the Iyo. Yet no one has mentioned it. I've heard of other reports where Alt+double click don't work on the Iyonix (don't have one here to test though). Also, I don't know what they mean when the say "don't work". Is the double click not detected by the OS or does the Alt keypress get missed? Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net Guaranteed to be virus free (*). i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:40:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056991363:10:27612:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:40:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056991363:10:27612:59; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:42:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111116; 30 Jun 2003 16:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X1jO-0007U4-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:42:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UGgEq15661 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:42:14 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UGgC515646 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:42:12 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.17.134]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHA00LRUZUF7G@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:44:40 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:41:24 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Jan De Poorter wrote: > In article <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon > wrote: > >>I have a document with embedded TableMate files, which does not >>print correctly on the Iyonix, but does print on the Risc PC with >>the same version of OPro (the latest version). The actual table >>rulings are printed, but not the text within. No difference which >>printer driver is used. > > > This is not a Opro or TableMate problem, but probably a Font Manager > problem. > > The same happened to me, but with Pluto. I use Swiss.Monospaced font > to display the message text. Some of the messages do not display at > all. > > When I change font to Corpus everything is fine, but when I go back > to Swiss, the messages disappear. > This only happens on Iyonix. Same font, same Pluto, same message on > my RiscPC (RISC OS 4.36) is OK. > > Try changing the font in the TableMate file, and see what happens. No luck. No characters are printed, whether the font is built-in or not. The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an Impression Publisher document running under Aemulor on the Iyonix! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:40:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056999764:10:19748:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:40:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056999764:10:19748:80; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:02:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1120388; 30 Jun 2003 19:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X3h8-00070o-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:48:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UIkP802696 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:46:25 +0100 Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il ([194.90.9.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UIkOJ02688 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:46:24 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.7.149]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHB00L8G5G1AQ@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:45:38 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:44:56 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Jan De Poorter wrote: > >> In article <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon >> wrote: >> >>> I have a document with embedded TableMate files, which does not >>> print correctly on the Iyonix, but does print on the Risc PC with >>> the same version of OPro (the latest version). The actual table >>> rulings are printed, but not the text within. No difference which >>> printer driver is used. >> >> >> >> This is not a Opro or TableMate problem, but probably a Font Manager >> problem. >> >> The same happened to me, but with Pluto. I use Swiss.Monospaced font >> to display the message text. Some of the messages do not display at >> all. >> >> When I change font to Corpus everything is fine, but when I go back >> to Swiss, the messages disappear. >> This only happens on Iyonix. Same font, same Pluto, same message on >> my RiscPC (RISC OS 4.36) is OK. >> >> Try changing the font in the TableMate file, and see what happens. > > > > No luck. No characters are printed, whether the font is built-in > or not. > > The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an Impression > Publisher document running under Aemulor on the Iyonix! Just in case anyone suggests that it works in Impression as it is running under Aemulor, I can now confirm that it works in EasyWriter, running in native mode on the Iyonix, so it is an Ovation Pro/Iyonix combination problem. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056834814:20:02448:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056834814:20:02448:43; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:13:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2127011; 28 Jun 2003 21:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WN0N-0005Hm-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:13:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5SLCfQ17762 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:12:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5SLCfn17757 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:12:41 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19WMzw-00050F-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:12:40 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:08:19 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML (free HTML filter) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 28 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > The latest version OvHTML 034 is about to appear... I want to get in > something before it does. > > I've attacked this version, to make it work on the Iyonix. So if it > comes to grief it is my fault and not the authors. > [snip] Right then, since you've raised your head out of the trench... In the Page size config window, if you click on the 'New' icon without changing the filename, OvHTML throws a type 5. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056880788:20:12633:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056880788:20:12633:54; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:59:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121116; 29 Jun 2003 9:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19WYyA-0001F7-00; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:59:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5T9xC418708 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:59:12 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5T9xB418701 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:59:11 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust104.tnt33.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.160.104] with SMTP for id h5T9x9UY027697 (8.12.9/2.04); Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:59:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000001c33dc9$341db9b0$68a074d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <01f601c3216a$50470ef0$149e193e@stevens> <4bf75c3c2bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <005201c325c8$ab421ef0$74a474d5@padua> <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML (free HTML filter) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:58:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Saturday, June 28, 2003 5:01 PM, David Pilling wrote: > The latest version OvHTML 034 is about to appear... I want to get in > something before it does. > Richard Murray is in a distant country... > > He says he'd do a HTML saver if anyone was interested. > It would be interesting. Such a saver is also an importer for e.g. Word or e.g. Easiwriter. That is for all programs, that accept HTML. It would be a saver/importer, that supports more than text, like normally can be found in rtf . Thanks to you both, Richard in the distant country and David, for this import filter. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056896056:20:06656:38".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056896056:20:06656:38; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128581; 29 Jun 2003 14:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Wcvb-0004i4-00; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:13:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5TECgF10858 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:12:42 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5TECfI10853 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:12:41 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([213.105.81.150]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030629141241.OUUP2652.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:12:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:11:52 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML (free HTML filter) Message-ID: References: <4bf75c3c2bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > He says he'd do a HTML saver if anyone was interested. > [snip] I would be Interested I often use OP for design of html pages which I then have to hand code with StrongEd. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056990530:20:11062:95".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056990530:20:11062:95; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:28:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116580; 30 Jun 2003 16:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X1W7-0006y0-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:28:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UGSHx09409 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:28:17 +0100 Received: from astra.telenet-ops.be (astra.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.58]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UGSFA09393 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:28:15 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by astra.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id B205C39643 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from iyonix (D57636E6.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.54.230]) by astra.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8388D394CD for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:14 +0200 (MEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:16 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > I have a document with embedded TableMate files, which does not > print correctly on the Iyonix, but does print on the Risc PC with > the same version of OPro (the latest version). The actual table > rulings are printed, but not the text within. No difference which > printer driver is used. This is not a Opro or TableMate problem, but probably a Font Manager problem. The same happened to me, but with Pluto. I use Swiss.Monospaced font to display the message text. Some of the messages do not display at all. When I change font to Corpus everything is fine, but when I go back to Swiss, the messages disappear. This only happens on Iyonix. Same font, same Pluto, same message on my RiscPC (RISC OS 4.36) is OK. Try changing the font in the TableMate file, and see what happens. Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056992053:20:13671:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056992053:20:13671:50; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:54:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101502; 30 Jun 2003 16:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X1uI-00035Y-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:53:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UGrR120168 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:53:27 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UGrQt20157 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:53:26 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19X1u9-0003Bw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:53:25 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.209] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19X1u8-0007dC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:53:25 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:50:13 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > On Thu 26 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > So, what is wrong with the PostScript files produced by OP? Apart from > > deep sprites not being able to have a mask (which cannot be achieved under > > Windows either). > > 1 : The full graphic is used, instead of the actually visible part > 2 : Irregular frames are rectangles again, pushing flowing text away No, this is only what you see in RiScript. Just believe us: The PostScript output is OK. > > Of course, if you use RiScript to produce the PDF you will most certainly > > run into RiScript's clipping problems. That is a limitation in RiScript > > and has nothing to do with OP. > > OK, I think I get the point! :-) > But why is OP outputting the full graphic instead clipping the graphic > to the part that is actually used? It isn't. OP includes PostScript commands to clip the graphic to the irregular frame. RiScript ignores those. > I suppose in normal/direct printing, it does something similar, as the > resulting graphic is then /exactly/ as intended by size and visible part > which is inside the frame. Still confused here! If you attach a PostScript printer to your computer and let OP print to it you will see that everything is fine. So, your above reasoning does not make sense: Yes, of course, in normal printing everything is fine too. The way irregular frames are printed differ between "normal" printing and PostScript printing. For each of the two situations there is exactly one proper way of doing it and OP does it exactly how it should be done. > The same applies to irregular frames. Direct printing is ok, but the > resulting PostScript file in RiScript is no good, as well as the PDF > output from it. Yes, so you need to complain to the RiScript people. But you may just as well save you the trouble because they already know because they have heard it hundreds of times already... > > Using GhostScript (via the nice !ps2pdf front-end) yields perfect PDFs > > for printing. > > Indeed I downloaded it all (for the second time) and try to start with > it. But somehow I cannot find the proper way to start with it. I looked > for the info and help - or whatever it is called - but still don't know > where to begin with. It is dead easy - assuming you have installed it correctly (which just means uncompressing the relevant archives to some place on your hard disc) and you have downloaded the ps2pdf utility, all you need to do is run !ps2pdf, then drag your PostScript file to the ps2pdf icon on the icon bar. > Allow me to ask what PS driver I need. It's Printers 1.64a (26 June 2001), > using the PoScript2 driver (SA machine, RISC OS Select 2). Yes, that is OK. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056996274:20:20863:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056996274:20:20863:40; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:04:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125805; 30 Jun 2003 18:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19X305-0000kw-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:03:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5UI2sP18115 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:02:54 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5UI2r318101 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:02:53 +0100 Received: from [62.188.150.188] (helo=62.188.150.188) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19X2zJ-0006rg-J4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:02:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:00:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words. Message-ID: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I'm still using 2.66. having not (yet?) got an Iyonix (BTW, how do you pronounce it?). The repeated word feature in the spelling checker is very useful, but it does have an irritating quirk. It detects words repeated across punctuation marks, paragraph breaks, or even, ISTR, figures (yes, it does, I just checked it). Is this intended? And if not, is it fixable? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057045754:20:10122:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057045754:20:10122:46; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:49:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126048; 1 Jul 2003 7:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XFsS-0001Hk-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:48:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h617mVX23468 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:48:31 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h617mSs23446 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:48:29 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.45.201]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHC00M3H5SWTK@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:50:57 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:47:40 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Dr Robert N Hunter wrote: > >> In message you wrote: >> >> >>> On 30 Jun, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: >>> >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>>> The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an Impression >>>>> Publisher document running under Aemulor on the Iyonix! >>>> >>>> >>>> Just in case anyone suggests that it works in Impression as it is >>>> running under Aemulor, I can now confirm that it works in EasyWriter, >>>> running in native mode on the Iyonix, so it is an Ovation Pro/Iyonix >>>> combination problem. >>>> >>> >>> Does it work if you export the table from TableMate as a Drawfile rather >>> than a table? >>> >>> It *shouldn't* be any different, as &BCF files are modified Drawfiles - >>> in fact in Select 3 if you have the filer set to Thumbnail view it >>> actually displays tables as graphics. >> >> >> >> I used to experience the same phenomenon with Ovation Pro on the >> RiscPC. It is not an Iyonix problem. > > > The file in question works perfectly with the same release of > OPro on the Risc PC. Let's simplify things: Take a simple Draw file with a text area. Drop it into OPro. It prints OK on the RiscPC, but not on the Iyonix. The same Draw file prints OK on the Iyonix from Impression Publisher and EasiWriter. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057046475:20:11294:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057046475:20:11294:45; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:01:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100872; 1 Jul 2003 8:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XG3e-0001Jo-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:00:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h617xcv26305 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:59:38 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h617xb126300 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:59:37 +0100 Received: from riscpc (81-86-204-8.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.204.8]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 628F81600033E for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:59:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:45:15 +0100 From: Dr Robert N Hunter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: <96de140b4c.robert.hunter@hunterandedgar.co.uk> References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: Hunter & Edgar User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> you wrote: > Dr Robert N Hunter wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > > >>On 30 Jun, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > > > > I used to experience the same phenomenon with Ovation Pro on the RiscPC. It is not an Iyonix problem. > > The file in question works perfectly with the same release of > OPro on the Risc PC. > > Michael Ben-Gershon > mybg@netvision.net.il > > This was some years ago. The same file IIRC would print perfectly on Techwriter (after re-formatting). Whatever was causing the difficulty may well have been addressed on the RiscPC or in Ovation Pro or in the OS. -- Robert -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057049486:20:16877:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057049486:20:16877:62; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:51:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123291; 1 Jul 2003 8:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XGq3-0008KW-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:50:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h618ngJ11118 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:49:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h618ndf11097 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:49:39 +0100 Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19XGpV-0001qW-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:49:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:49:35 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: <60c21a0b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Let's simplify things: > Take a simple Draw file with a text area. Created that by dropping the text of an e-mail onto a Draw window. > Drop it into OPro. Done that. Interestingly the Draw window was not large enough to display all the source text, so OPro only took the visible text. So I resized the Draw text frame and dropped it onto OPro again. (This was on my Iyonix) > It prints OK on the RiscPC, but not on the Iyonix. I would be damned if I can see anything wrong with the print from the Iyonix. What sort of things happen at your end? > The same Draw file prints OK on the Iyonix from Impression Publisher > and EasiWriter. Not tried. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057052043:20:21780:256".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057052043:20:21780:256; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:34:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124673; 1 Jul 2003 9:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XHV1-0001Do-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:32:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h619W3X29130 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:32:03 +0100 Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h619W2G29110 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:32:02 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.45.201]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HHC00EB3AH7L8@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:31:56 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:31:14 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: <60c21a0b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F0154E2.3040301@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> <60c21a0b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > > >>Let's simplify things: >>Take a simple Draw file with a text area. > > > Created that by dropping the text of an e-mail onto a Draw window. > > >>Drop it into OPro. > > > Done that. Interestingly the Draw window was not large enough to > display all the source text, so OPro only took the visible text. > > So I resized the Draw text frame and dropped it onto OPro again. > > (This was on my Iyonix) > > >>It prints OK on the RiscPC, but not on the Iyonix. > > > I would be damned if I can see anything wrong with the print from the > Iyonix. What sort of things happen at your end? No text is printed. By the way: Did you leave the system font (as is the Draw default for text areas) or did you set an outline font? When I tried with the system font it was OK, but outline fonts failed, whether built-in or not. >>The same Draw file prints OK on the Iyonix from Impression Publisher >>and EasiWriter. > > > Not tried. > -- Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 19:41:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057061786:20:09216:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:41:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057061786:20:09216:47; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:16:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108221; 1 Jul 2003 12:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XK2r-0006Rz-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:15:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61CF6606425 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:15:06 +0100 Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61CF3I06363 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:15:03 +0100 Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id h61CExv9000204 (8.12.9/2.03); Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:15:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:05:40 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 2 [4.33] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Martin, On Mon 30 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > On Thu 26 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > > So, what is wrong with the PostScript files produced by OP? Apart from > > > deep sprites not being able to have a mask (which cannot be achieved > > > under Windows either). > > > > 1 : The full graphic is used, instead of the actually visible part > > 2 : Irregular frames are rectangles again, pushing flowing text away > > No, this is only what you see in RiScript. Just believe us: The PostScript > output is OK. I wouldn't dare to even doubt you! :-) As other people have also put their knowledge in here, I'm getting the picture now! Thank you all for some facts, as this definitely clear things up. In particular .... > > > Of course, if you use RiScript to produce the PDF you will most > > > certainly run into RiScript's clipping problems. That is a limitation > > > in RiScript and has nothing to do with OP. > > > > OK, I think I get the point! :-) > > But why is OP outputting the full graphic instead clipping the graphic > > to the part that is actually used? > > It isn't. OP includes PostScript commands to clip the graphic to the > irregular frame. RiScript ignores those. .... this. Now I understand how it is supposed to work. And - shame on me - my assumptions/speculations moving to propositions were awful! Please accept my sincere apologies for the rubbish I've ventilated. [snip: stories on full graphic with clipping details] > Yes, so you need to complain to the RiScript people. But you may just as > well save you the trouble because they already know because they have > heard it hundreds of times already... I know at least one person who did so; the one who helped me out with RiScript. Because of your explanation Martin, now at last I understand his complaints much better, as he also expresses them me in the past. > > > Using GhostScript (via the nice !ps2pdf front-end) yields perfect PDFs > > > for printing. > > > > Indeed I downloaded it all (for the second time) and try to start with > > it. But somehow I cannot find the proper way to start with it. I looked > > for the info and help - or whatever it is called - but still don't know > > where to begin with. > > It is dead easy - assuming you have installed it correctly (which just > means uncompressing the relevant archives to some place on your hard disc) > and you have downloaded the ps2pdf utility, all you need to do is run > !ps2pdf, then drag your PostScript file to the ps2pdf icon on the icon > bar. No luck yet: memory and can't find file errors. But I think it's a bit OT now in the context of this list? Is there a better place (mailinglist > > Allow me to ask what PS driver I need. It's Printers 1.64a (26 June > > 2001), using the PoScript2 driver (SA machine, RISC OS Select 2). > > Yes, that is OK. Thanks for confirming this. Thanks folks for all your comments and know-hows. It's much appreciated! Greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Satellite Safety Tip No.14: If you see a bright streak in the sky coming at you, duck. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 22:08:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057093703:10:24190:138".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:08:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057093703:10:24190:138; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:08:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129979; 1 Jul 2003 21:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XSMC-0004md-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:08:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61L7db25666 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:07:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61L7cn25652 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:07:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XSLi-000CP7-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:07:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:06:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Subject: OP - Windows version - multiple monitors References: <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Paul Witheridge I am using XP Pro with two monitors and I thought I would report the following behaviour of Ovation Pro Version 2.70 (17-June-03). The preceding version behaved the same. When I start up Ovation Pro (for example by doubling clicking on an existing document), the main window appears on the primary (default) monitor, together with the toolbox and info palette windows. When I move the main window about the default monitor, the toolbox and info windows follow it, as I would expect. However, if I drag the main window onto the secondary monitor, the toolbox and info palette remain "stuck" at the edge of the primary monitor. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 22:11:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XSOj-1-15A-4G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:11:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XSOj-1-15A-4G; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:10:45 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0117814; 1 Jul 2003 21:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XSNl-0006X9-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:09:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61L9e326528 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:09:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61L9dF26510 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:09:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19XSNf-00026R-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:08:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP-Windows printing References: <4c099fc149Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <3H1bbTBq$Y$+Ewfx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000701c33d7e$202fe810$1530a8c0@david> In-Reply-To: <000701c33d7e$202fe810$1530a8c0@david> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I would love to use OP Windows for pamphlet printing but cannot get it to >work. Normally to do pamphlet printing you'd set the scale to 70% and select sideways. The catch with the current Windows version is that you've got to click on the properties button and set these values in the printers own Windows set up screen. The values in OP's print window don't have an effect. I guess that should be a workaround for now. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 22:20:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XSY7-1-2Lk-3v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:20:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XSY7-1-2Lk-3v; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:20:27 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0108265; 1 Jul 2003 21:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XSXa-00074e-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:19:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61LJlG30416 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:19:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61LJlf30410 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:19:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XSXT-000Kaf-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:19:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:18:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> However RISC OS users have to face up to the fact that they're a >> dwindling band, where did the other 90% go to? >Is that an accurate number, or is it OP related? Just a guess. I've no idea how one would get accurate figures. Acorn seemed to stop publishing sales figures in the 1980's. I suppose you just look at the decline in activity e.g. Beebug once employed nearly 20 people working on Acorn stuff, Beebug and many other companies of similar size are no longer active. >As printing is done rectangle by rectangle I had the impression OP could do >some clipping itself: e.g. clip the graphic in a frame to what is visible >/in/ that frame, and not using/outputting what is outside the frame. Yes that may be true in some situations. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 22:26:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057094810:20:02616:87".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:26:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057094810:20:02616:87; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:26:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101768; 1 Jul 2003 21:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XSdy-0007i7-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:26:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61LQ1j32627 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:26:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61LPsf32588 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:25:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XSdM-000EzW-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:25:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:24:25 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML (free HTML filter) References: <4bf75c3c2bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4bfa38f8b2paul@delink.nl> <22tLXVIJvb$+Ewsw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6bffbc094c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: <6bffbc094c.philip@philipnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I've heard of other reports where Alt+double click don't work on the >Iyonix (don't have one here to test though). >Also, I don't know what they mean when the say "don't work". Is the >double click not detected by the OS or does the Alt keypress get missed? It seems that if ALT is held down, double clicking a file does not run it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 22:27:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057094866:20:02687:174".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:27:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057094866:20:02687:174; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:27:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104810; 1 Jul 2003 21:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XSeq-0007nB-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:27:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61LRHm00576 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:27:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61LRDL00560 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:27:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XSef-000F7O-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:27:13 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:25:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words. References: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >The repeated word feature in the spelling checker is very useful, but it >does have an irritating quirk. It detects words repeated across >punctuation marks, paragraph breaks, or even, ISTR, figures (yes, it does, >I just checked it). Is this intended? And if not, is it fixable? Should be fixed... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 22:35:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XSmB-1-4Gk-3O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:35:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XSmB-1-4Gk-3O; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:34:59 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0121223; 1 Jul 2003 21:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XSlc-0008Ea-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:34:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61LYIa03041 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:34:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61LYHM03038 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:34:17 +0100 Received: from david ([62.31.235.67]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:34:16 +0100 Message-ID: <005301c34018$85d09ce0$1530a8c0@david> From: "David Woodman" To: References: <4c099fc149Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <3H1bbTBq$Y$+Ewfx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000701c33d7e$202fe810$1530a8c0@david> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP-Windows printing Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:34:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2003 21:34:16.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[85CF6460:01C34018] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" > The catch with the current Windows version is that you've got to click > on the properties button and set these values in the printers own > Windows set up screen. > > The values in OP's print window don't have an effect. > > I guess that should be a workaround for now. It works perfectly. I hadn't realised the Windows Printer Drivers offered an option to change scale. It comes under "graphics" in the advanced settings and I had always thought it was something to do with embedded graphics rather than the scale of the whole doc. Now I know. Thanks. David Woodman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 22:47:03 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XSx6-3-2sN-v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:47:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XSx6-3-2sN-v; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:46:16 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0307133; 1 Jul 2003 21:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XSwC-0007QW-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:45:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61LilZ06808 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:44:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61Lik106799 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:44:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19XSve-0004rx-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:43:26 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Subject: OP - Windows version - multiple monitors References: <52edc20a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >When I move the main window about the default monitor, the toolbox and >info windows follow it, as I would expect. However, if I drag the main >window onto the secondary monitor, the toolbox and info palette remain >"stuck" at the edge of the primary monitor. All because some people don't want the toolbox etc. wandering off screen. You can control this behaviour... if you find the viewchoices2() function in the Autorun.!Choices file and change the first and fourth parameters from 1 (or 0) to 3 (or 2) then the toolbox and infopal can go off screen. Works this way on RISC OS too - and is not documented. Bit 1 in the toolbox and infopal attached params enables off screen behaviour. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net